Questions about Battlestations/Silent Running

Armistead · 04-17-11, 05:29 PM

RR got me thinking when he said the enemy can hear you better when at BS. I'm almost always at BS during attack and evasion even with silent running on. Do you actually suffer a value hearing loss when the crew is in BS mode? Historically a crew would be at BS during attack and evasion, doesn't mean they have to make more noise.

IF SR is engaged, torps won't load, but seems other repair functions take place. I assume by looking at values that are still complex to me, that SR values only lower the enemies hearing values. The issue I see is even if you have SR engaged, your crew repairs. You can have SR engaged and cursor flooded areas and see the "pumping out water" message...Last thing a sub would do in real life is to crank up the pumps. That made me wonder, if I'm flooded and don't engage BS will I suffer losing repair mode, but make it harder for the enemy to hear me. I've always gone into repair mode when damaged, but it might make sense not if you're under attack and can survive.....the game can't be this detailed....lol.

Also, what happens if you have SR engaged, but you crank up speed, do you still get values in your favor? It appears the speed values are seperate, so even with SR engaged I would think more speed would give the enemy better values, but you would still retain the others such as torps not being loaded.

Any values gain or loss by just engaging damage crew and not go on BS?

eers75 · 04-17-11, 06:51 PM

Hello there, Ive noticed the repair crew out and working too when at bs and if you are submerged you can click on the icon that tells them to quit. So you can be at bs but not have your repair crew out and about and you can even see them disappear when you tell them to quit but still remain at bs for the rest of the crew.

Ive also wondered about the noise and ill be interested to see if any can shed light on the actual values or the way it works. Wether a figment of my imagination or not often I dont use bs when being pinged and it seems to me that I get discovered less but I cant offer concrete evidence of this.

My set up is 1.5/TMO 2.1.

WernherVonTrapp · 04-17-11, 09:16 PM

I'm not absolutely certain either way but, just in case, the first thing I always do after going to battlestations (before engaging silent running), is to deactivate the damage control crew. Since I've been doing this, I've experienced no unexplained detections by DDs. I did experience them before this practice.

Armistead · 04-17-11, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

I'm not absolutely certain either way but, just in case, the first thing I always do after going to battlestations (before engaging silent running), is to deactivate the damage control crew. Since I've been doing this, I've experienced no unexplained detections by DDs. I did experience them before this practice.

INteresting, I never disengage them in battle or evasion. It makes sense, but inquiring minds want to know for sure.

Again, if I have damage, doesn't matter if BS or SR is engaged, pumps will come on to drain water if flooding has been repaired and active crew will repair.

With damage and BS off, the only crew in the compartments that will show repairing is those on active station, you engage BS and the entire compartment goe's on repair status. I noticed very little difference in actual repair times with BS on or off with damage crew on, the repair times showed the same time. Now if you put a damaged item top priority, then the time limits would go down.

Still seems that crew in a damaged compartment have some effect on repair times because we have that guy with repair ability. Also seems a compartment with all men in it on repair status would repair.

I honestly don't think the game is that complex. My guess is silent running gives you a better value for not being heard, just stops the torps. Other than that, it probably doesn't come into play for pumps and other equipment, it should..

The same with blowing tanks..I wonder if a value exist for this seperate noise, I haven't found one, but wouldn't even know where to look.

Still, be interesting to know if BS gives you a value hit.

Maybe Duc will eventually show up.....

Sailor Steve · 04-17-11, 10:09 PM

Yes it would be interesting to know. In SH3 there was no Battle Stations function, but when Silent Running was engaged everything stopped, which was as it should be. In the old Pacific Aces mod for SH2 they even used a scene from a movie, in which the actor said "Rig for Silent Running. No unauthorized movement, no unnecessary noise."

The point of Silent Running is to be Silent!

fred8615 · 04-18-11, 08:51 AM

I've never had any repairs done while silent running. If I take damage, I have to turn it off so the crew can repair stuff before I sink.

04-17-11, 05:29 PM	#1
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Questions about Battlestations/Silent Running RR got me thinking when he said the enemy can hear you better when at BS. I'm almost always at BS during attack and evasion even with silent running on. Do you actually suffer a value hearing loss when the crew is in BS mode? Historically a crew would be at BS during attack and evasion, doesn't mean they have to make more noise. IF SR is engaged, torps won't load, but seems other repair functions take place. I assume by looking at values that are still complex to me, that SR values only lower the enemies hearing values. The issue I see is even if you have SR engaged, your crew repairs. You can have SR engaged and cursor flooded areas and see the "pumping out water" message...Last thing a sub would do in real life is to crank up the pumps. That made me wonder, if I'm flooded and don't engage BS will I suffer losing repair mode, but make it harder for the enemy to hear me. I've always gone into repair mode when damaged, but it might make sense not if you're under attack and can survive.....the game can't be this detailed....lol. Also, what happens if you have SR engaged, but you crank up speed, do you still get values in your favor? It appears the speed values are seperate, so even with SR engaged I would think more speed would give the enemy better values, but you would still retain the others such as torps not being loaded. Any values gain or loss by just engaging damage crew and not go on BS?

04-17-11, 09:16 PM	#3
WernherVonTrapp Admiral Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Now, alot farther from NYC. Posts: 2,228 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	I'm not absolutely certain either way but, just in case, the first thing I always do after going to battlestations (before engaging silent running), is to deactivate the damage control crew. Since I've been doing this, I've experienced no unexplained detections by DDs. I did experience them before this practice. __________________ "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -Miyamoto Musashi ------------------------------------------------------- "What is truth?" -Pontius Pilate

04-17-11, 10:09 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Yes it would be interesting to know. In SH3 there was no Battle Stations function, but when Silent Running was engaged everything stopped, which was as it should be. In the old Pacific Aces mod for SH2 they even used a scene from a movie, in which the actor said "Rig for Silent Running. No unauthorized movement, no unnecessary noise." The point of Silent Running is to be Silent! __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

04-18-11, 08:51 AM	#6
fred8615 Saint of the seas Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sorrento, Louisiana Posts: 1,320 Downloads: 265 Uploads: 127	I've never had any repairs done while silent running. If I take damage, I have to turn it off so the crew can repair stuff before I sink. __________________ Frederick J. Barnett Radio Stations & Music Captain's Desk Photos FJB Camera Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start Office links, Info Boxes, & 50 cal Crew Rank Fix Sub Class Info Real Subs SH4 Randomizer Sub Images Office Images Sub Pinups & Pics 24 Hour Clocks Office Posters Nav Map Make-Over Add-ons FJB Navigation Maps Office Window Chronographs Someone's got to take the responsibility if the job's going to get done! Do you think that's easy?! - Gregory Peck, The Guns of Navarone.

04-17-11, 06:51 PM	#2
eers75 Seaman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 40 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	Hello there, Ive noticed the repair crew out and working too when at bs and if you are submerged you can click on the icon that tells them to quit. So you can be at bs but not have your repair crew out and about and you can even see them disappear when you tell them to quit but still remain at bs for the rest of the crew. Ive also wondered about the noise and ill be interested to see if any can shed light on the actual values or the way it works. Wether a figment of my imagination or not often I dont use bs when being pinged and it seems to me that I get discovered less but I cant offer concrete evidence of this. My set up is 1.5/TMO 2.1.