Faildows 7 sucks; in a word: clutter; Apple poser

TteFAboB · 02-14-11, 07:40 PM

The “I’m a MAC and I’m a PC” videos are wrong. PC is the new Apple. Everything in Windows 7 is a sad attempt to emulate and copy the Apples.

But if I wanted an Apple, I’d buy an Apple. I’m not a 13 year old girl; I want efficiency, cleanliness and professionalism, not fluff and rainbows. I want my work to stand out, and my tools and my desk to fade away, and not the other way around.

Ironically, efficiency and professionalism was what Apples were famous for, before they became Pop and fluffy. Yet I always chose Windows because of its flexibility. I know what kind of computer I need, not Apple.

Well, not anymore. Microsoft knows what I need now, and I need to be Apple. Can I have my perfectly fine expanding Start programs menu? No, that’s too orange and not enough Apple.

The Windows 95 theme wasn’t reached by accident or experiment, but by trial and error. It was a fruit of science, labor and utility. It has perfect contrast: black on light gray, white on dark blue, frames between windows, configuration background gray, work space background white, zero clutter, maximum cleanliness.

Screw that, let’s make everything transparent and shadowy! That’ll help! That’s way more Apple! And make the taskbar bigger too, like Apple’s! And remove the text, leave just icons, like Apple, because our customers don’t work and multitask, they just stare at pretty icons like 13 year old girls! Look, unicorns!

****! Windows 7 is ****!

Even with everything thematic and all special effects turned off, which helps, the Start menu is still the new tiny cluster****, and Windows Explorer is still full of distractions. The optimum Win95 theme can be more or less recovered, but the programs are gone.

The new generation of Microsoft is fail; they are marketing and not professionally oriented. I just cannot see why one must destroy optimality in order to impress the visually impressible or, excuse me, blind. Certainly fat is supposed to go above the muscle or bone layer, the cutting of which should not affect the underlayers. Yet Microsoft has lost the bone.

Congratulations; for the first time ever I am looking positively and seriously at Linux. Go Linux, go! The User knows best; configurability for the win!

Chad · 02-14-11, 07:51 PM

I tried to find a funny picture to sum up your post, but just can't.

If you're going Linux, try Ubuntu first,

Buddahaid · 02-14-11, 08:04 PM

Stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think!

krashkart · 02-14-11, 08:07 PM

Go with Debian. It's much more exciting.

Krauter · 02-14-11, 08:12 PM

I use a Mac Laptop at school and actually prefer it to my Windows XP->Vista->Windows 7 Home PC I was using at home.

A lot faster, OS is actually easier and a host of other things.

The only gripe I have is compatability with other programs (games, some Office Utilitys [Solved with a new program], etc).

CaptainHaplo · 02-14-11, 08:55 PM

Hmmmm.....

Ok so you don't like the new gui approach. Fine....
You liked win95/98 better..... the classic layout. Ok....

There are simple freeware tools to get your old style, single column start menu back. Easy ways to turn transparency and fading off too.....

Literally, you can get it back to the way you seem to think it should be. Windows 7 is aimed at home consumers AND business. It has the business backend, but the fluff most home users want. You have to expect some adaptation. A number of the gui tweaks are great for most folks, like the preview pane for minimized applications.

Still, put it however you want. As an IT professional, I have to point out that your basically complaining about a few dings in a paint job when your car just got a major revamped engine that now actually runs right, where the last model had all kinds of gremlins in it.

Windows 7 did make some gui changes, but the biggest changes are way deeper under the hood, and they were major changes for the better. 2k and XP had all kinds of winsock problems, Vista was a bear due to drivers (ser2pl.sys incompatiblity with 1.1 usb ports for example....) while 7 rolled out extremely solid, with none of the major bugs or memory leaks that earlier OS's started with.

A lot of times the issue isn't the OS - its those who use it. Don't get me wrong, when M$ came out with the MMC, I was yelling like crazy about how they hosed up administration. I had User Manager and Server Manager, why muck with things? Adapting isn't easy, but sometimes progress happens, and it takes us old timers a while to get used to it.

When in doubt - shortcuts on the desktop!

Ducimus · 02-14-11, 09:36 PM

If you really want to get down to brass tacks, the entire windows OS line was inspired by being a Mac poser.

the_tyrant · 02-14-11, 10:19 PM

KDE all the way

krashkart · 02-14-11, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

KDE all the way

Too easy - Linux is best utilized from a virtual console.

I have nothing against KDE or Gnome, though. My eyes can only bleed for so long before I have to switch back into a visual environment.

Feuer Frei! · 02-15-11, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

The “I’m a MAC and I’m a PC” videos are wrong.

FTW! WIN7 user here.

02-15-11, 12:37 AM

Windows 7 hasn't failed me so far. Had to turn off that stupid Aero theme though cause you can't turn off those program previews when you hover over programs on the taskbar but oh well, the basic theme is fine with me.

Gerald · 02-15-11, 03:04 AM

The basic theme is, in many cases the best I think.

papa_smurf · 02-15-11, 05:11 AM

Windows 7 user here too, had no problems with it.

MaddogK · 02-15-11, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

The “I’m a MAC and I’m a PC” videos are wrong. PC is the new Apple. Everything in Windows 7 is a sad attempt to emulate and copy the Apples.

But if I wanted an Apple, I’d buy an Apple. I’m not a 13 year old girl; I want efficiency, cleanliness and professionalism, not fluff and rainbows. I want my work to stand out, and my tools and my desk to fade away, and not the other way around.

Ironically, efficiency and professionalism was what Apples were famous for, before they became Pop and fluffy. Yet I always chose Windows because of its flexibility. I know what kind of computer I need, not Apple.

Well, not anymore. Microsoft knows what I need now, and I need to be Apple. Can I have my perfectly fine expanding Start programs menu? No, that’s too orange and not enough Apple.

The Windows 95 theme wasn’t reached by accident or experiment, but by trial and error. It was a fruit of science, labor and utility. It has perfect contrast: black on light gray, white on dark blue, frames between windows, configuration background gray, work space background white, zero clutter, maximum cleanliness.

Screw that, let’s make everything transparent and shadowy! That’ll help! That’s way more Apple! And make the taskbar bigger too, like Apple’s! And remove the text, leave just icons, like Apple, because our customers don’t work and multitask, they just stare at pretty icons like 13 year old girls! Look, unicorns!

****! Windows 7 is ****!

Even with everything thematic and all special effects turned off, which helps, the Start menu is still the new tiny cluster****, and Windows Explorer is still full of distractions. The optimum Win95 theme can be more or less recovered, but the programs are gone.

The new generation of Microsoft is fail; they are marketing and not professionally oriented. I just cannot see why one must destroy optimality in order to impress the visually impressible or, excuse me, blind. Certainly fat is supposed to go above the muscle or bone layer, the cutting of which should not affect the underlayers. Yet Microsoft has lost the bone.

Congratulations; for the first time ever I am looking positively and seriously at Linux. Go Linux, go! The User knows best; configurability for the win!

Prolly shouldn't knock MS around here, you might get a response like this

Quote:

I find it amazing how people are anti-microsoft - yet run the software anyway. Windows is a heck of a lot more complex a OS "program" (although its many of them working together) than something like Silent Hunter. The Millions of lines of code that go into an OS compared to those of a game - due to their purpose - are alot more apt to create bugs. Yet, companies like M$ are alot more responsive to problems than say, Ubisoft. *This is not slamming the devs, just that the business models operate very differently and thus the companies have different focuses.*

MS constantly develops patches, workarounds and combined service packs to resolve issues - for years after a product launches. Game companies? Normally a year if your lucky.

But if people get a chance to jump on MS - they do.

At least you got

Quote:

A lot of times the issue isn't the OS - its those who use it.

Good luck with your win7 issues, win98 lives on my dev PC, XPsp2 on my gamer PC. One day I may finalize my installation of SUSE on my Mac, but I haven't been that desperate (or drunk) in years.

Garion · 02-15-11, 12:42 PM

I seem to remember that it was Xerox that first invented the WIMP GUI before the Apple included one on the Apple Lisa...

Also, does anyone remember GEM? I used on a very early PC and my Atari ST back in the mid 80's.

I still miss DOS and have a few old PC's with various flavours of it in the attic

Cheers

Garion

02-14-11, 07:40 PM	#1
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Faildows 7 sucks; in a word: clutter; Apple poser The “I’m a MAC and I’m a PC” videos are wrong. PC is the new Apple. Everything in Windows 7 is a sad attempt to emulate and copy the Apples. But if I wanted an Apple, I’d buy an Apple. I’m not a 13 year old girl; I want efficiency, cleanliness and professionalism, not fluff and rainbows. I want my work to stand out, and my tools and my desk to fade away, and not the other way around. Ironically, efficiency and professionalism was what Apples were famous for, before they became Pop and fluffy. Yet I always chose Windows because of its flexibility. I know what kind of computer I need, not Apple. Well, not anymore. Microsoft knows what I need now, and I need to be Apple. Can I have my perfectly fine expanding Start programs menu? No, that’s too orange and not enough Apple. The Windows 95 theme wasn’t reached by accident or experiment, but by trial and error. It was a fruit of science, labor and utility. It has perfect contrast: black on light gray, white on dark blue, frames between windows, configuration background gray, work space background white, zero clutter, maximum cleanliness. Screw that, let’s make everything transparent and shadowy! That’ll help! That’s way more Apple! And make the taskbar bigger too, like Apple’s! And remove the text, leave just icons, like Apple, because our customers don’t work and multitask, they just stare at pretty icons like 13 year old girls! Look, unicorns! **! Windows 7 is ! Even with everything thematic and all special effects turned off, which helps, the Start menu is still the new tiny cluster*, and Windows Explorer is still full of distractions. The optimum Win95 theme can be more or less recovered, but the programs are gone. The new generation of Microsoft is fail; they are marketing and not professionally oriented. I just cannot see why one must destroy optimality in order to impress the visually impressible or, excuse me, blind. Certainly fat is supposed to go above the muscle or bone layer, the cutting of which should not affect the underlayers. Yet Microsoft has lost the bone. Congratulations; for the first time ever I am looking positively and seriously at Linux. Go Linux, go! The User knows best; configurability for the win! __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant."* ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

02-14-11, 07:51 PM	#2
Chad ACE Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,274 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	I tried to find a funny picture to sum up your post, but just can't. If you're going Linux, try Ubuntu first, __________________

02-14-11, 08:04 PM	#3
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,322 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think! __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

02-14-11, 08:07 PM	#4
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	Go with Debian. It's much more exciting. __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

02-14-11, 08:55 PM	#6
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Hmmmm..... Ok so you don't like the new gui approach. Fine.... You liked win95/98 better..... the classic layout. Ok.... There are simple freeware tools to get your old style, single column start menu back. Easy ways to turn transparency and fading off too..... Literally, you can get it back to the way you seem to think it should be. Windows 7 is aimed at home consumers AND business. It has the business backend, but the fluff most home users want. You have to expect some adaptation. A number of the gui tweaks are great for most folks, like the preview pane for minimized applications. Still, put it however you want. As an IT professional, I have to point out that your basically complaining about a few dings in a paint job when your car just got a major revamped engine that now actually runs right, where the last model had all kinds of gremlins in it. Windows 7 did make some gui changes, but the biggest changes are way deeper under the hood, and they were major changes for the better. 2k and XP had all kinds of winsock problems, Vista was a bear due to drivers (ser2pl.sys incompatiblity with 1.1 usb ports for example....) while 7 rolled out extremely solid, with none of the major bugs or memory leaks that earlier OS's started with. A lot of times the issue isn't the OS - its those who use it. Don't get me wrong, when M$ came out with the MMC, I was yelling like crazy about how they hosed up administration. I had User Manager and Server Manager, why muck with things? Adapting isn't easy, but sometimes progress happens, and it takes us old timers a while to get used to it. When in doubt - shortcuts on the desktop! __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

02-14-11, 09:36 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	If you really want to get down to brass tacks, the entire windows OS line was inspired by being a Mac poser.

02-14-11, 10:19 PM	#8
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	KDE all the way __________________ My own open source project on Sourceforge OTP.net KGB grade encryption for the rest of us

02-15-11, 12:37 AM	#11
Rilder Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Windows 7 hasn't failed me so far. Had to turn off that stupid Aero theme though cause you can't turn off those program previews when you hover over programs on the taskbar but oh well, the basic theme is fine with me.

02-15-11, 03:04 AM	#12
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	The basic theme is, in many cases the best I think. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

02-15-11, 05:11 AM	#13
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Windows 7 user here too, had no problems with it. __________________

02-15-11, 12:42 PM	#15
Garion Commander Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 452 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	I seem to remember that it was Xerox that first invented the WIMP GUI before the Apple included one on the Apple Lisa... Also, does anyone remember GEM? I used on a very early PC and my Atari ST back in the mid 80's. I still miss DOS and have a few old PC's with various flavours of it in the attic Cheers Garion