Sh3 engine versus Sh4 need your light?

Hans Witteman · 02-13-11, 08:48 PM

Hi shipmates,

Since i never try or play with SH4 i would love to ear your opinions on the pro and con of possibly porting my mod to Sh4.

I mean by that what would be the greatest drawbacks and difficulty to do the campaign and adding all boat from the Atlantic theater?

Is there more limitations from the SH4 engine than SH3?

I am waiting for your view on the matter.

Best regards Hans

Sailor Steve · 02-13-11, 09:04 PM

Besides having better graphics, SH4 also has automatic crew management. It also runs better. I can't run SH3 above 1024 TC without having major problems. I can run SH4 up to 4096 TC with no problem at all. SH4 also only loads a 6-month period surrounding the start date, rather than loading the whole war, so it loads faster and runs smoother. I've been playing Operation Monsun for awhile, and it's a very nice campaign, but none of the cool SH3 stuff is there. The harbors are pretty naked, and none of the cool things like Privateer's blimps have been ported into SH4.

I have felt for a long time that it is by far the better platform for all these mods.

But of course that's just my opinion.

Hans Witteman · 02-13-11, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Besides having better graphics, SH4 also has automatic crew management. It also runs better. I can't run SH3 above 1024 TC without having major problems. I can run SH4 up to 4096 TC with no problem at all. SH4 also only loads a 6-month period surrounding the start date, rather than loading the whole war, so it loads faster and runs smoother. I've been playing Operation Monsun for awhile, and it's a very nice campaign, but none of the cool SH3 stuff is there. The harbors are pretty naked, and none of the cool things like Privateer's blimps have been ported into SH4.

I have felt for a long time that it is by far the better platform for all these mods.

But of course that's just my opinion.

Hi mate,

Thank for your quick reply, i am looking at the possibility SH4 offer versus SH3 but i would like to have modders point of view on the feasibility of porting all assets from Sh3 Atlantic theater to Sh4.

By reading old threads i saw that the GWX was trying to do so but they abandoned the project because of Ubisoft SH5 but i wonder if maybe they just saw that the amount of work required would have been too much?

I think the only answer i will get is that i buy myself a copy and start analyzing file structure to see where the biggest drawbacks are!

If thing could be done without too much difficulty i might consider it seriously.

Best regards Hans

CCIP · 02-13-11, 10:27 PM

I agree with Steve. By and large, you have to realize that SH4 is more or less the same engine as SHIII, but with a few mechanical additions and a much nicer set of graphical features. It's got a much better and more flexible campaign structure. It generally performs much better, and is more adaptable hardware-wise. It is more stable and less glitchy, especially when it comes to time compression and saved games. It also received better official patching support (mostly because of the expansion), and while there are a couple of annoying issues left over, it is all in all in a substantially better stock condition than SHIII.

SHIII's advantage over SH4, development-wise, has nothing to do with the game engine itself. It's the fact that SHIII has been developed much further by modders and there is a bigger base of stuff to build on, and a somewhat bigger community supporting it.

Hans Witteman · 02-13-11, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I agree with Steve. By and large, you have to realize that SH4 is more or less the same engine as SHIII, but with a few mechanical additions and a much nicer set of graphical features. It's got a much better and more flexible campaign structure. It generally performs much better, and is more adaptable hardware-wise. It is more stable and less glitchy, especially when it comes to time compression and saved games. It also received better official patching support (mostly because of the expansion), and while there are a couple of annoying issues left over, it is all in all in a substantially better stock condition than SHIII.

SHIII's advantage over SH4, development-wise, has nothing to do with the game engine itself. It's the fact that SHIII has been developed much further by modders and there is a bigger base of stuff to build on, and a somewhat bigger community supporting it.

Hi mate,

Thank for giving your point of view but i still think my best option will be to buy myself a copy and see how hard it would be to implemented a full Atlantic theater campaign.

I forgot to ask if there is support for dynamic shadows and normal bump for all ext and int parts??

Thank for the feedback greatly appreciated

Best regards Hans

Schwieger · 02-13-11, 11:05 PM

Personally, I prefer the graphics of SH3. Something about SH4 turns me off, but can't exactly pinpoint what.

02-13-11, 08:48 PM	#1
Hans Witteman Kaleun of U-3 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: somewhere in 1939 Posts: 1,816 Downloads: 123 Uploads: 0	Sh3 engine versus Sh4 need your light? Hi shipmates, Since i never try or play with SH4 i would love to ear your opinions on the pro and con of possibly porting my mod to Sh4. I mean by that what would be the greatest drawbacks and difficulty to do the campaign and adding all boat from the Atlantic theater? Is there more limitations from the SH4 engine than SH3? I am waiting for your view on the matter. Best regards Hans __________________

02-13-11, 09:04 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Besides having better graphics, SH4 also has automatic crew management. It also runs better. I can't run SH3 above 1024 TC without having major problems. I can run SH4 up to 4096 TC with no problem at all. SH4 also only loads a 6-month period surrounding the start date, rather than loading the whole war, so it loads faster and runs smoother. I've been playing Operation Monsun for awhile, and it's a very nice campaign, but none of the cool SH3 stuff is there. The harbors are pretty naked, and none of the cool things like Privateer's blimps have been ported into SH4. I have felt for a long time that it is by far the better platform for all these mods. But of course that's just my opinion. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-13-11, 10:27 PM	#4
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I agree with Steve. By and large, you have to realize that SH4 is more or less the same engine as SHIII, but with a few mechanical additions and a much nicer set of graphical features. It's got a much better and more flexible campaign structure. It generally performs much better, and is more adaptable hardware-wise. It is more stable and less glitchy, especially when it comes to time compression and saved games. It also received better official patching support (mostly because of the expansion), and while there are a couple of annoying issues left over, it is all in all in a substantially better stock condition than SHIII. SHIII's advantage over SH4, development-wise, has nothing to do with the game engine itself. It's the fact that SHIII has been developed much further by modders and there is a bigger base of stuff to build on, and a somewhat bigger community supporting it. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

02-13-11, 11:05 PM	#6
Schwieger Commodore Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: U-142 Posts: 624 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Personally, I prefer the graphics of SH3. Something about SH4 turns me off, but can't exactly pinpoint what. __________________ Support U-Boot_HAHD: Install Dropbox Click Here & Increase The Teams Dropbox space and get 2.25GB of free online Storage space for yourself.