Burn it to the ground...

I-25 · 12-09-10, 11:01 AM

http://www.10news.com/news/26033580/detail.html
http://www.sandiego.com/news/escondi...se-burns-today

some for you have probably heard of this on the news

i don't know you guys but burning down a house full of explosives in the middle of a suburban neighborhood doesn't sound like the brightest idea to me...

2 more hrs to ingnition

Penguin · 12-09-10, 11:39 AM

wow!

this wasn't really in the news here, not even the story of the discovery of the explosives.

Quote:

from the article:

Bomb experts decided that burning down the house was the safest way to dispose of the large amount of hazardous bomb-making chemicals.

this is really unusual, can anyone elaborate why they don't send in a bomb squad?
Another issue is that I think that major evidence of the orign of the materials can be destroyed.

SteamWake · 12-09-10, 11:42 AM

I thought it was an odd resolution as well.

I guess what there saying is that basically its not even safe to enter the building.

I dont know what kind of bomb making materials they had in there but it seems wierd to burn it.

I-25 · 12-09-10, 11:42 AM

I head they didn't take it all out "because it as to dangerous"

Jimbuna · 12-09-10, 11:45 AM

Better to contain the threat than risk injury to others.

I-25 · 12-09-10, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Glass jars of the explosive hexamethylene triperoxide diamine, or HMTD, were found Thursday as investigators searched the backyard of a home in the 1900 block of Via Scott, officials said. They described the substance as a mixture of hydrogen peroxide, hexamine, and citric or sulfuric acid.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/es...3749f07cb.html

edit:

its gonna be live streamed.

5 mins to burn

http://www.nctimes.com/special-repor...-bomb-factory/

Sailor Steve · 12-09-10, 01:35 PM

Thanks for the link. Watching now.

[edit] Waitaminute...the house is in the middle of a big bunch of trees...

krashkart · 12-09-10, 03:16 PM

Must not be an explosive that will detonate in a fire.

Either that or the IC figured it would be okay to blow up part of a residential neighborhood.

Missed the feed, though.

Jimbuna · 12-09-10, 05:02 PM

Finding it hard to see the witches that should be tied to the stakes

krashkart · 12-09-10, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Finding it hard to see the witches that should be tied to the stakes

I hope they're not also after heretics.

vienna · 12-09-10, 05:28 PM

I am currently living in the Los Angeles area and this has been, if you'll excuse the pun, a "hot topic" on the local news for some time here, so maybe I can answer some questions:

1) Apparently there was no expected explosion according to the authorities because the explosives involved do not detonate by heat alone and require an explosive detonator to go off (sort of like C4); reports here during the fire cite loud "pops" and muffled "bangs that authorities say may be ammunition or hand grenades exploding in the flames

2) The entire surronding neighborhood was evacuated and a portion of a frewway adjacent to the area was completely blocked off

3) The explosives could not be removed due to a high probability of booby traps and "pack rat" condtions in the structure.

4) A high, temporary wall was erected around parts of the structure to shield neighboring structures from the heat or possible blasts

5) This is not a terrorist-linked situation; the house was rented by a man who was also sought in connection with bank robberies; the explosives were discovered when a gardener stepped on a homemade land mine the tenant had placed on the property [the gardener was seriously injured in the blast]

6) The tenant is being held on an enormous bail amount; his lawyers actually tried to stop the destruction of the house saying that the fire would destroy evidence they might need in the defense of their client; a judge turned down the request

7) Lastly, consider the actual owner of the home: not only did he loose his income property, he now appears [according to news reports] to be getting the usual run around from his homeowner's insurance company

I-25 · 12-09-10, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vienna

7) Lastly, consider the actual owner of the home: not only did he loose his income property, he now appears [according to news reports] to be getting the usual run around from his homeowner's insurance company

маn, he must be having a hard time even just trying to explaining what happened to his insurance company,

"yea the fire department burn down my home because my tenant had it full of bombs"

SteamWake · 12-10-10, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vienna

5) This is not a terrorist-linked situation; the house was rented by a man

The 'man' was a Serbian national.

Quote:

The explosive materials brought together by Jakubec, an immigrant from Serbia

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/ksw...,6057005.story

But hey I dont want to profile or anything.

Platapus · 12-09-10, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by I-25

i don't know you guys but burning down a house full of explosives in the middle of a suburban neighborhood doesn't sound like the brightest idea to me...

Writing as an old and rusty EOD troop, burning is an excellent way to dispose of explosives. Rest assured that prior to burning the building, it was inspected and the mass of the explosives was redistributed to avoid propagation.

This is actually a pretty common procedure. Much safer than trying to extract the explosives.

Penguin · 12-10-10, 10:07 AM

Platapus, I didn't know that you were an ebook. Got typos?

(<-had to look up eod)

Good that we have experts here on this board who can cover nearly any topic, this prevents that too much bs which is posted here gets accepted as as fact.

I heard that C4 actually burns well and that the grunts in Vietnam used it as a replacement when the fuel pill was missing in the C-rations. The only thing not recommended must be to inhale the smoke - so Billy Clinton would have been save if he was cooking with C4

12-09-10, 11:01 AM	#1
I-25 Commodore Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bavaria, Germany Posts: 629 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Burn it to the ground... http://www.10news.com/news/26033580/detail.html http://www.sandiego.com/news/escondi...se-burns-today some for you have probably heard of this on the news i don't know you guys but burning down a house full of explosives in the middle of a suburban neighborhood doesn't sound like the brightest idea to me... 2 more hrs to ingnition Last edited by I-25; 12-09-10 at 11:33 AM.

12-09-10, 11:42 AM	#3
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I thought it was an odd resolution as well. I guess what there saying is that basically its not even safe to enter the building. I dont know what kind of bomb making materials they had in there but it seems wierd to burn it. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

12-09-10, 11:45 AM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Better to contain the threat than risk injury to others. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-09-10, 01:35 PM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Thanks for the link. Watching now. [edit] Waitaminute...the house is in the middle of a big bunch of trees... __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Finding it hard to see the witches that should be tied to the stakes __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-09-10, 03:16 PM	#8
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	Must not be an explosive that will detonate in a fire. Either that or the IC figured it would be okay to blow up part of a residential neighborhood. Missed the feed, though.

12-09-10, 05:28 PM	#11
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,714 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I am currently living in the Los Angeles area and this has been, if you'll excuse the pun, a "hot topic" on the local news for some time here, so maybe I can answer some questions: 1) Apparently there was no expected explosion according to the authorities because the explosives involved do not detonate by heat alone and require an explosive detonator to go off (sort of like C4); reports here during the fire cite loud "pops" and muffled "bangs that authorities say may be ammunition or hand grenades exploding in the flames 2) The entire surronding neighborhood was evacuated and a portion of a frewway adjacent to the area was completely blocked off 3) The explosives could not be removed due to a high probability of booby traps and "pack rat" condtions in the structure. 4) A high, temporary wall was erected around parts of the structure to shield neighboring structures from the heat or possible blasts 5) This is not a terrorist-linked situation; the house was rented by a man who was also sought in connection with bank robberies; the explosives were discovered when a gardener stepped on a homemade land mine the tenant had placed on the property [the gardener was seriously injured in the blast] 6) The tenant is being held on an enormous bail amount; his lawyers actually tried to stop the destruction of the house saying that the fire would destroy evidence they might need in the defense of their client; a judge turned down the request 7) Lastly, consider the actual owner of the home: not only did he loose his income property, he now appears [according to news reports] to be getting the usual run around from his homeowner's insurance company

12-10-10, 10:07 AM	#15
Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	Platapus, I didn't know that you were an ebook. Got typos? (<-had to look up eod) Good that we have experts here on this board who can cover nearly any topic, this prevents that too much bs which is posted here gets accepted as as fact. I heard that C4 actually burns well and that the grunts in Vietnam used it as a replacement when the fuel pill was missing in the C-rations. The only thing not recommended must be to inhale the smoke - so Billy Clinton would have been save if he was cooking with C4