Stuxnet

[Torvald Von Mansee]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

I'm guessing it's either Israel or the USA or a combination of the two.

I hear the Iranian nuclear reactor is having "technical problems"!!!

[SteamWake]

Wow a worm that could attack and control/disable SCADA systems would be a very nasty buisness indeed.

Most pepole have no idea shat SCADA is but lets just say you flushed a toilet. Inderectly you just used a SCADA because without it you wouldent have water to flush the toilet nor power to see where you were uhhh... going.

SCADA is imbedded process monitoring, controlling and reporting for just about everything from sewage treatment plants, potable water storage and distribution, traffic lights, power distribution and control.

[TLAM Strike]

Yep heard of it.

I knew we paid those four eyed geeks in Langley for something...

Our Nerds > Their Nerds

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Yep heard of it.

I knew we paid those four eyed geeks in Langley for something...

Our Nerds > Their Nerds

I think you mean Ft. Meade.

[Skybird]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=175206

That FAZ article still is the most elaborated article on the issue I have seen so far. The rumours that the Iranian problems result from a foreign-launched cyberspace attack, are around since quite some time now, it is just that not before now the analysis has lead to the conclusions that it was that indeed: the probably first digital war-attack of this kind.

Candidates being able to do this by competence and monetarian funding, are not many: America, Israel, Russia, China, India, Japan. That the EU is behind it, I cannot imagine - due to lacking determination and courage.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Candidates being able to do this by competence and monetarian funding, are not many: America, Israel, Russia, China, India, Japan. That the EU is behind it, I cannot imagine - due to lacking determination and courage.

Any info on this? Finland has build a capacity to launch and deter cyberattacks for a decade.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Any info on this? Finland has build a capacity to launch and deter cyberattacks for a decade.

So has the US but that doesent stop them from getting their links re-directed to porn sites.

http://foreign.peacefmonline.com/news/201009/83910.php

[Gerald]

As long as you know what a worm as this is, so it is harmless,and is well protected in the system of society

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Vendor

As long as you know what a worm as this is, so it is harmless,and is well protected in the system of society

This worm was anything but harmless, but the reuslt of a developement and desiogn work that must have costed millions and impossibly could have bene the work of just some gifted hackers doing it as a hobby. This worm was like one of these Russian puppets with more and more puppets inside of them - just theat the inner puppets became more and more complex and self-unfolding, and heading for very precisely defined key codes as present in certain industrial control software. It indeed compares to a description of having been the first massive use of cyberwarfare in known history. Whoever fired it up, meant serious business. Affected parts of industrial installations are still not cleared of the consequences from this strike, more than one year after the impact.


So, do not think of this thing like of just any worm we have by the dozens every day. This was a military major strike by use of a new weapon technology, plain and simple.

And that'S the reason why I do not think that Fiunland has anything to do with it, Happy Times. I also wonder if Finland has the will and the resources to invest into offensive capacities in this field. Like the German essay in the FAZ quoted an insider, this worm was of that kind that you only develope if oyu can invest, millions into carrying out such an attack, and when the alternative of not doing it would be - to launch a real war. That reduces the number of possible suspects very drastically, I would say.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Vendor

As long as you know what a worm as this is, so it is harmless,and is well protected in the system of society

Siemens SCADA systems are hardly 'well protected' or at least they werent. I dont think they foresaw this as an issue.

I recently had a discussion over communications protocal for a domestic water supply system. I boiled down to hardwired RS232 or wireless ethernet. The wireless is of course much cheaper and easier to program and maintain but has obvious security risks. These risks were pointed out. The end results? The cheaper route.