DREAM Act, more like the NIGHTMARE Act

[Bubblehead1980]

So that Dems are trying to get amnesty for illegal aliens, young ones at that so they can try to solidify their votes for years to come.

The Dems failed to get their amnesty bill and while they have control and know they won't have control much longer, so they are trying to attach an amendment to a defense spending bill known as the DREAM Act to give amnesty and citizenship just because an illegal joins the US Military.Wrong, on many levels.
Hopefully in this election climate with illegal immigration such as a hot button issue, most Dems who would normally go for this won't let it fly.

So sick of these b****** in D.C.

[Platapus]

Please share with us, without your usual emotional outbursts, what specifically about the Dream Act you find objectionable.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Please share with us, without your usual emotional outbursts, what specifically about the Dream Act you find objectionable.

Just a "side-step" type of amnesty for illegal aliens.Allowing someone, even if they join the military, to become an citizen when they were already breaking the law by just being in the country, is wrong.This is a political ploy by the Dems to solidify the ever growing Latino vote.These young men and women would remember it's a Dem who allowed them to do this and become citizens and would vote Democratic for the most part instead of for who is right.They will always have a loyalty to the Dem Party.


Allowing an illegal who manages to get a degree (who should not be allowed to attend college in US anyway) to earn legal status.For example, some illegal could get in state tuition but a legal out of state student has to pay out of state, that is wrong on many, many levels.I did my undergrad in state because my parents paid for college and wanted to save them money.I am currently in Law School, out of state.The tuition provided to illegal should be reserved for an actualy citizen, not an illegal.

Illegal Immigration would not be a problem if we cut off any incentive for them to be here.

So in the long run, this DREAM Act is more of a NIGHTMARE Act for this country because it just rewards illegal behavior.


Please, the Filipino Guerrillas is different.They were fighting for THEIR own country and aiding us who eventually Liberated them.These people are illegals who do not belong in the US anyway.

[Lord_magerius]

Well chosen on the user name bubblehead by the way It fits perfectly

[razark]

I may be mistaken, but isn't this for illegal immigrants who were brought to the U.S. by their parents when they were age 16 or below?

So rather than creating a slew of folks crossing the border just to enlist in the Army and get quick citizenship in exchange for a cushy job for a few years, wouldn't it deal with the people who were already brought here?


Regarding the in-state tuition, illegal immigrants should definitely not be getting it. Government funded educational institutions should not be open to them, either. However, if a school is privately owned and funded, wouldn't it be their decision who they admit and what rates they charge?

[Castout]

For this I think the illegal immigrants deserve citizenship


Without the law no illegal immigrant would have wanted to join the Army why would they?

This may signal a severe shortage in recruits to the Army. Guess the number of people willing to volunteer and join are becoming less and less as the years go by.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Lord_magerius

Well chosen on the user name bubblehead by the way It fits perfectly

You do realize that Bubblehead is a 'slang' term for enlisted submariners. I realize its just a forum name but personally I hold "Bubbleheads" in the highest regard.

This thread is so full of personal attacks. How about addressing the topic at hand?

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, the topic at hand.....I would venture to guess that the one best path we could offer is citizenship if those here illegally join the military. Monetarly capturing and deporting all illegals is unrealistic. Training those that choose to stay and join the military get not only physcial training but classroom time so they understand what they are fighting for. I see no problem with it.

[TLAM Strike]

Right volunteer to fight and maybe die for the United States even though you are from another nation and not recive any benefits of that service.

Its like the Filipino Guerrillas all over again.

Only problem I have is that the enlistment should be longer, four or more years like most enlistees.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

So that Dems are trying to get amnesty for illegal aliens, young ones at that so they can try to solidify their votes for years to come.

The Dems failed to get their amnesty bill and while they have control and know they won't have control much longer, so they are trying to attach an amendment to a defense spending bill known as the DREAM Act to give amnesty and citizenship just because an illegal joins the US Military.Wrong, on many levels.
Hopefully in this election climate with illegal immigration such as a hot button issue, most Dems who would normally go for this won't let it fly.

So sick of these bastards in D.C.

Trying to catch up with Skybird with bigotry?

You think somone who joins the military and has a LIKELY chance of being deployed in combat gives 2 craps about "Solidifying dems"? Your description as such is beyond disgusting.

[CaptainMattJ.]

it doesnt matter what they do, what they call it, how they try to cover up the ugliness, EVERY illegal immigrant is a CRIMINAL. Amnesty of any kind is unacceptable. its Unbelievable the benefits they get. They practically get a free dam pass on everything. Health care without insurance or any kind of payment, college scholarships, no taxes and its like there god dam royalty. its sickening. they bring crime, poverty, disease, degradation of schools and what do we give them? Amnesty!?!?! dam. it doesnt matter who it is, they are ALL corrupt selfish greedy piiiiigs in washington in BOTH parties. The majority of the U.S public dont even WANT to give them amnety, and yet there giving it to them anyway. Its time for us to Sift through this ocean of political correctness and touchy Racial BS and Get to the REAL problem. Mexicans/south american people come here and feast like parasites on this country. And people dont have the BALLS to go and tell them to GET OUT because theyll be branded as "racists" and "bigots". AHAHAHA! you leech off us and WERE racist? THats hilarious! and They have the AUDACITY to protest for Rights and freedom, when theyre NOT citizens and theyre BREAKING THE Law! And all in spanish, nonetheless. You dont GET to enjoy the freedoms of this country because you ARENT part of this country. America has become the most touchy-feely over the top anti racial society. Theyre afraid to tell the Actual specific groups What theyre doing and they cant take action, because theyre too dam scared of being 'Racists". THATS why theyre WINNING. people need to grow some balls and DO something.

[Zachstar]

Ok i'll grow some balls. And call your right out.

Captain Matt Your post is BIGOTED. Hows that?

Disease? WTF is with that? Some twisted logic you designed from reading on how settlers from Europe brought diseases that devastated population of the Natives?

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Ok i'll grow some balls. And call your right out.

Captain Matt Your post is BIGOTED. Hows that?

Disease? WTF is with that? Some twisted logic you designed from reading on how settlers from Europe brought diseases that devastated population of the Natives?

Of course they bring disease. its exactly like European settlers. Theyre are diseases ALL around the world that the native population of that area has grown immune to. They bring what THEY'RE immune to and not us, well then they brought a disease over. Way to make uneducated statements.

and either they need to grow a pair or they need to Shed themselves of that Moronic Racial screen. Its become so Sensitive that its basically CONTROLLING us. Cause if we talk about a certain ethnic group and what they do wrong, were racists. Thats unacceptable. We gotta shed that off BACK to where it was, which was basic Nondiscrimination. No hating ethnic groups because of skin color, and allowing them to be a lesser. Not this touchy-feely oversensitive idiocy. we gotta relearn when ENOUGH is ENOUGH and we gotta engrave it in titanium. Were gettin pushed around by other races and im tired of it. If we dont give you that job EVEN though your a terrible worker, then they call us bigots. And thats fine. They can think whatever lies they want. its that we treat them as if they were Special BECAUSE of that that is overboard.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Yea i suppose so. I heard they were talking about making any child that got a GED citizens. THAT is unacceptable. But military service is.......reasonable..grounds for citizenship. Although soon they wont really be risking their lives as much. when we pull out, there isnt going to be very much life risking jobs. Not to say there isnt during peacetime, of course there is, and while the gesture of volunteering for a duty that COULD take your life is good, theres going to be less of a risk then there is now. If youre stationed here, just waiting around its pretty much a kush job.

Military, OK. Anything else? no. No amnesty. your child gets a GED? SO WHAT! i got my GED, wasnt all that hard. And i actually had to PAY for my college. What just because you pass high school, especially with all the unbelievable benefits, you should get a free pass for breaking the law? Thats where most illegals are just gonna stop cold. No college, nothing else to further education. Theyre going to be forced to get jobs where American Citizen TEENS should be able to go to work. Now its all being taken by illegals. How the Hell is a high school grad supposed to pay for college if he cant get a job hes qualified for with his GED. Meanwhile, any ILLEGAL basically gets a FREE PASS to college. Wtf!? they don pay taxes, they bring crime and poverty, they bring high school drop outs and juevinile delinquints. And they DO take jobs that SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR CITIZENS. but of course these corporations are GREEDY PIGS who are RUINING this country. By buying out politicians, screwing over consumers, and Hiring ILLEGALS to work for them because they take a lower wage!? What the hell is gonna happen to A good LAW ABIDING American family that cant find a decent Middle-class wage jobs? theyll slip into POVERTY. so frankly, illegals are PARASITES on this country.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

it doesnt matter what they do, what they call it, how they try to cover up the ugliness, EVERY illegal immigrant is a CRIMINAL. Amnesty of any kind is unacceptable. its Unbelievable the benefits they get. They practically get a free dam pass on everything. Health care without insurance or any kind of payment, college scholarships, no taxes and its like there god dam royalty. its sickening. they bring crime, poverty, disease, degradation of schools and what do we give them? Amnesty!?!?! dam. it doesnt matter who it is, they are ALL corrupt selfish greedy piiiiigs in washington in BOTH parties. The majority of the U.S public dont even WANT to give them amnety, and yet there giving it to them anyway. Its time for us to Sift through this ocean of political correctness and touchy Racial BS and Get to the REAL problem. Mexicans/south american people come here and feast like parasites on this country. And people dont have the BALLS to go and tell them to GET OUT because theyll be branded as "racists" and "bigots". AHAHAHA! you leech off us and WERE racist? THats hilarious! and They have the AUDACITY to protest for Rights and freedom, when theyre NOT citizens and theyre BREAKING THE Law! And all in spanish, nonetheless. You dont GET to enjoy the freedoms of this country because you ARENT part of this country. America has become the most touchy-feely over the top anti racial society. Theyre afraid to tell the Actual specific groups What theyre doing and they cant take action, because theyre too dam scared of being 'Racists". THATS why theyre WINNING. people need to grow some balls and DO something.