about ship names

Kristian2 · 07-07-10, 03:42 PM

I was wondering with sh3 Commander ships are assigned names, but is that only to the ships you sink and appear in the log file, so an administrative matter? It would be nice to have ship names appear on the hull as well, but that's probably not easily done.

frau kaleun · 07-07-10, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristian2

I was wondering with sh3 Commander ships are assigned names, but is that only to the ships you sink and appear in the log file

Yes.

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It would be nice to have ship names appear on the hull as well, but that's probably not easily done.

I don't know how (or if) this could be done but I suspect that, yes, it would take a lot of work. I'm guessing you'd have to have some kind of file for each ship name that would then be incorporated into the graphical rendering of each ship when it appears in the game, and those files would have to be "attached" in some way to the correct class/nationality of ship.

Obviously the game generates a specific flag for each ship that's rendered depending on its nationality, but that's a comparatively small and limited number of flags and countries spread over all the ships in the game. Not one individual flag per individual ship, which would be the case with names.

Sailor Steve · 07-07-10, 06:16 PM

Then names are assigned by SH3 Commander after the patrol is done.

Merchant ships didn't carry names on the hulls during wartime, so that works out quite well. Sometimes a kaleun could get the name from the survivors, but like as not the claimed sinking had to be compared with what ships were missing after the convoy reached port. What we have is the best SH3 can do, and compared to how many mistakes were made in real life, it's not too bad at all.

frau kaleun · 07-07-10, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Then names are assigned by SH3 Commander after the patrol is done.

Merchant ships didn't carry names on the hulls during wartime, so that works out quite well. Sometimes a kaleun could get the name from the survivors, but like as not the claimed sinking had to be compared with what ships were missing after the convoy reached port. What we have is the best SH3 can do, and compared to how many mistakes were made in real life, it's not too bad at all.

Ah, well that's true enough, I hadn't even thought about all the times I've read about a commander having to question survivors to find out what ship he just sank. So it wouldn't really make sense to have that info readily available in-game just by reading it off the hull.

Kristian2 · 07-08-10, 02:01 AM

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Merchant ships didn't carry names on the hulls during wartime, so that works out quite well.

I didn't know that, however the movie in the menu where a merchant is sunk carries a name 'Radames' if I'm right.

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What we have is the best SH3 can do, and compared to how many mistakes were made in real life, it's not too bad at all.

Sure

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Jimbuna · 07-08-10, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kristian2

I was wondering with sh3 Commander ships are assigned names, but is that only to the ships you sink and appear in the log file, so an administrative matter? It would be nice to have ship names appear on the hull as well, but that's probably not easily done.

Perhaps in a few years time with a newer and far more powerful game engine.

In fact, some ships did leave their names visible but the practice was very rare and (certainly in the case of the major maritime powers) would have been in defiance of strict admiralty doctrine/orders, therefore only allowed if the Captain of the vessel wasn't opposed to the idea and the country of registry was invariably one of 'conveniance'.

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Originally Posted by Kristian2

I didn't know that, however the movie in the menu where a merchant is sunk carries a name 'Radames' if I'm right.

Sure

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The link below will show you the propaganda footage of the sinking.

http://www.singapore-ww2-militaria.com/trailer3.html

Notice....she sails under the Egyptian flag.

frau kaleun · 07-08-10, 08:55 AM

IIRC the Radames by that time was an Egyptian ship, and officially Egypt was a neutral country for most of the war. Whether that has anything to do with her ships being marked or unmarked, I don't know.

OTOH her neutrality was in some ways more of a technicality than anything else since, despite having been an "independent" nation for the previous 20 years or so, Egypt was still occupied by British troops (as permitted by treaty in the event of war), and was still dominated in many ways by British economic and political interests. And obviously the fighting in North Africa pretty much revolved around gaining or maintaining control over Egyptian territory since the Suez Canal made doing so a matter of vital strategic importance.

frau kaleun · 07-08-10, 09:01 AM

@Jimbuna: but was the Radames' name really on her hull as shown in the film, or was that somehow faked for the propaganda flick as well? Cuz I did wonder about that.

Didn't know the film showing her sinking was actually shown as some other, perhaps fictional kaleun's achievement.

07-07-10, 03:42 PM	#1
Kristian2 Sailor man Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Netherlands Posts: 46 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	about ship names I was wondering with sh3 Commander ships are assigned names, but is that only to the ships you sink and appear in the log file, so an administrative matter? It would be nice to have ship names appear on the hull as well, but that's probably not easily done.

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Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Then names are assigned by SH3 Commander after the patrol is done. Merchant ships didn't carry names on the hulls during wartime, so that works out quite well. Sometimes a kaleun could get the name from the survivors, but like as not the claimed sinking had to be compared with what ships were missing after the convoy reached port. What we have is the best SH3 can do, and compared to how many mistakes were made in real life, it's not too bad at all. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-08-10, 08:55 AM	#7
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	IIRC the Radames by that time was an Egyptian ship, and officially Egypt was a neutral country for most of the war. Whether that has anything to do with her ships being marked or unmarked, I don't know. OTOH her neutrality was in some ways more of a technicality than anything else since, despite having been an "independent" nation for the previous 20 years or so, Egypt was still occupied by British troops (as permitted by treaty in the event of war), and was still dominated in many ways by British economic and political interests. And obviously the fighting in North Africa pretty much revolved around gaining or maintaining control over Egyptian territory since the Suez Canal made doing so a matter of vital strategic importance.

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frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	@Jimbuna: but was the Radames' name really on her hull as shown in the film, or was that somehow faked for the propaganda flick as well? Cuz I did wonder about that. Didn't know the film showing her sinking was actually shown as some other, perhaps fictional kaleun's achievement.