McChrystal most likely on the way out..

SteamWake · 06-22-10, 09:11 AM

How dare you express your feelings !

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The top commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, has been summoned to the White House to explain biting and unflattering remarks he made to a freelance writer about President Obama and others in the Obama administration.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38837.html#ixzz0rahznAQz

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...200813_pf.html

CCIP · 06-22-10, 09:28 AM

Well, in fairness, the president is still the commander in chief. I don't think it's customary for military officers to criticize their superiors - orders are orders. I really don't think it's appropriate to make these sorts of remarks on record while on duty.

Not that I disagree with his right as a private person to criticize the white house - but he should've waited until he's back home. You can't expect a commander to continue trusting his subordinates when they make these sorts of remarks on duty, simple as that. Hell, common sense - I know I wouldn't be surprised to get fired if I started talking this sort of thing about my boss and the managers while at my job.

SteamWake · 06-22-10, 09:39 AM

The way I see it is the man is mad as hell and just couldent take it anymore.

He had to have known where this would lead.

The proper course of action would have been to resign then make the allegations but evidently something pushed him over the edge. Probably the policys that place our troops in un-necessary dangers.

But... I think if he had resigned we would have never heard of this story other than "McChrystil resigns".

The man is a carrier professional stratigist, trust me he did not speak off the cuff. He (at least in his mind) is doing what needs to be done.

krashkart · 06-22-10, 10:24 AM

I think if I were in his position I would be wanting to say a few things, too. These wars amount to a near-total bureaucratic failure in my mind. (I gotta blame somebody, may as well be the stiffs in Washington

)

One good thing about this is that he's not being given a nickname like "General Betray Us".

06-22-10, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by krashkart

I think if I were in his position I would be wanting to say a few things, too. These wars amount to a near-total bureaucratic failure in my mind. (I gotta blame somebody, may as well be the stiffs in Washington

)

One good thing about this is that he's not being given a nickname like "General Betray Us".

Oh I don't know if I'd call the whole thing just a "bureaucratic failure". It takes more then just bureaucrats to mess things up that badly. Who knows, maybe even McChrystal isn't perfect either?

krashkart · 06-22-10, 11:14 AM

Good point.

GoldenRivet · 06-22-10, 11:19 AM

Im torn between CCIPs argument and Steamwake's.

Something pushed this man over the edge.

on the other hand my civil air patrol cadet doesnt even talk trash about the president.

If i were in the General's position i probably would have made worse remarks.

you have a military trying to win a war - and an administration trying to lose it. A frustrating proposition for the men holding the rifles.

06-22-10, 09:28 AM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Well, in fairness, the president is still the commander in chief. I don't think it's customary for military officers to criticize their superiors - orders are orders. I really don't think it's appropriate to make these sorts of remarks on record while on duty. Not that I disagree with his right as a private person to criticize the white house - but he should've waited until he's back home. You can't expect a commander to continue trusting his subordinates when they make these sorts of remarks on duty, simple as that. Hell, common sense - I know I wouldn't be surprised to get fired if I started talking this sort of thing about my boss and the managers while at my job. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

06-22-10, 09:39 AM	#3
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The way I see it is the man is mad as hell and just couldent take it anymore. He had to have known where this would lead. The proper course of action would have been to resign then make the allegations but evidently something pushed him over the edge. Probably the policys that place our troops in un-necessary dangers. But... I think if he had resigned we would have never heard of this story other than "McChrystil resigns". The man is a carrier professional stratigist, trust me he did not speak off the cuff. He (at least in his mind) is doing what needs to be done. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

06-22-10, 10:24 AM	#4
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	I think if I were in his position I would be wanting to say a few things, too. These wars amount to a near-total bureaucratic failure in my mind. (I gotta blame somebody, may as well be the stiffs in Washington ) One good thing about this is that he's not being given a nickname like "General Betray Us". __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

06-22-10, 11:14 AM	#6
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	Good point. __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

06-22-10, 11:19 AM	#7
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Im torn between CCIPs argument and Steamwake's. Something pushed this man over the edge. on the other hand my civil air patrol cadet doesnt even talk trash about the president. If i were in the General's position i probably would have made worse remarks. you have a military trying to win a war - and an administration trying to lose it. A frustrating proposition for the men holding the rifles. __________________