More "GWX ettiquette" questions -- Prize Regulations

nemchenk · 05-20-10, 04:10 AM

Right

So, sorry to keep asking these silly questions, but I'm kinda new to the whole sub thing

and I'm curious as to how the "more serious" sim/RP players play SHIII. I mean, I enjoy the sim aspect, but am also very interested in the history and RP...

So, IIRC prior to Unrestricted Sub Warfare, the procedure was to surface and order the merchant to surrender, wait for the crew to abandon ship, then sink her either with weapons or by scuttling her.

I had been under the impression that this would not be possible in GWX SHIII, since I assume an enemy merchant would try to evade or ram you as soon as you surfaced, and would be unlikely to surrender!

So when I spotted my first Polish Med Cargo, I promptly shadowed her and put two eels in her side when I got into position. Down she went, and after a few more hours patrolling I spotted a Passanger/Cargo flying the Polish merchant ensign. An eel in her bows and she goes down after a couple of hours in rough seas.

So far so good. Then I get this from GWX OKM:

Quote:

From: OKM
To: All U-boats
1939/09/03
U-boat warfare against shipping is to be carried out in accordance with international law. Attacks are to be aimed at the following ships which may be sunk without warning:

1.Troop ships, ie. vessels which are observed to be carrying troops or war material or which may be indentified in other ways.
2. Any vessels escorted by enemy warships or aircraft.
3. Vessels taking part in enemy actions or acting in direct support of enemy operations.

Internation law governing the conduct of naval warfare is included in the battle orders for the German Navy. Orders enjoin the strict observance of all rules of neutrality issued by individual countries and observance of the general agreements of international Law. Operations against shipping are to be governed by the revised edition of Prize Regulations. Observance of Prize Regulations is only obligatory for unarmed ships.

So, did I just break the Prize Regs twice

Or do they mean by this earlier message that the Prize Regs do not apply to Polish merchantmen:

Quote:

From: OKM
To: All U-boats
Overt military actions have commenced against Poland. All Polish vessels are to be considered hostile and valid targets that may be attacked at the commander's discretion. Vessels of other nations are to be considered neutral and are not to be attacked.

Thanks for your advice in advance!

TarJak · 05-20-10, 05:50 AM

As the Kaleun on the scene the decision to sink a ship is yours. How you report the sinking to BdU is up to you as well.

Sink 'em all!

Jimbuna · 05-20-10, 06:38 AM

BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!!

Wreford-Brown · 05-20-10, 07:08 AM

Deny everything, then report them as sunk on your next patrol.

STEED · 05-20-10, 07:29 AM

Neutrals with no light on, tough luck.

USA neutral zone sweeps across half the Atlantic by Sept 41, US warships are fair game and tough luck to Oilers.

We are at war with them, all but in name until Dec41.

I have been know to to use neutrals as target practice, shoot up there cargo! OK, I leave the ships a little singed but hey, there still can sail.

Face facts the world hates are smart uniforms, even the Japanese are not that keen on us. Get out there and sink them, who cares, its war.

nemchenk · 05-20-10, 07:36 AM

I get the distinct feeling there is a gung-ho attitude amongst some of the Kaleuns...

Kapt Z · 05-20-10, 07:27 AM

Unless it's a neutral, hospital ship or a ship of the Axis powers.....

Send them to the bottom!!

05-20-10, 06:38 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,142 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!! __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-20-10, 07:08 AM	#4
Wreford-Brown Sea Lord Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In sight of Stonehenge Posts: 1,750 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 26	Deny everything, then report them as sunk on your next patrol. __________________ All my mods are available at MediaFire: SH3 Mods Other modders SH3 mods SH4 Mods ...you can't please all of the people all of the time...

05-20-10, 07:29 AM	#5
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Neutrals with no light on, tough luck. USA neutral zone sweeps across half the Atlantic by Sept 41, US warships are fair game and tough luck to Oilers. We are at war with them, all but in name until Dec41. I have been know to to use neutrals as target practice, shoot up there cargo! OK, I leave the ships a little singed but hey, there still can sail. Face facts the world hates are smart uniforms, even the Japanese are not that keen on us. Get out there and sink them, who cares, its war. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

05-20-10, 07:27 AM	#7
Kapt Z Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ...somewhere in the swamps of Jersey. Posts: 910 Downloads: 157 Uploads: 0	Unless it's a neutral, hospital ship or a ship of the Axis powers..... Send them to the bottom!! __________________ ...I fought in many guises, many names, but always me. Patton

05-20-10, 05:50 AM	#2
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	As the Kaleun on the scene the decision to sink a ship is yours. How you report the sinking to BdU is up to you as well. Sink 'em all!

05-20-10, 07:36 AM	#6
nemchenk Bosun Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 69 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I get the distinct feeling there is a gung-ho attitude amongst some of the Kaleuns...