Still amazes me...

PappyCain · 05-13-10, 08:17 PM

The sim amazes me still ...

I set up 3 boats from the same flotilla to patrol in the year 1940 (fall). I assigned one boat to be a seasoned skipper who knows many tricks, and new skipper who was an exec and now has his own command, and the third is right out of the chute - eager but tentative.

I put on the personae of the each and I just played #3 with his band of young sea pups.

He tracked a convoy well enough but his interception was off. Indecision. He spotted a straggler left behind whose bow was plowing and saw that as easy meat. But 4 eels missed with shots to the tramp's stern at night using the surface UZO - the tramp steamer then put the lights on him as best they could (his exec. said 'we are in for it now, the escorts will come back'. Watch said 'no sign of the convoy' so they reloaded the tubes and hung back 1500m.

Then star shells. The young kaleun decided to reverse direction and run at flank speed away. He knew his crew was green and they did not have a chance. The escort came to the aid of the tramp steamer like a mama elk defending her lost charge.

Red faced the Kaleun knew he better shape the crew up as well as himself.

In his log he noted a 'submarine' in the convoy ... maybe 4 escorts. Plan is to head east for another intercept when they head NE. It is a gamble.

Sailor Steve · 05-13-10, 08:27 PM

You're not the only one. I've just added a bunch of new mods, including FM's Interiors. Now I have three shiny new careers, one from each flotilla.

I always do a quick turnaround in the harbor so I can add stuff right away, and so I'll never start on the first of the month. My skipper from the 2nd did his August 1st and then I set Commander's Days In Base to 18. So I put out on the 19th, just like for real, and it's now September 3rd and Britain has declared war, so I'm finally in business. By the way, My boat was a VIIa so I dumped two of the stern eels and one forward, and got rid of the externals. I now have 10 forward and 1 aft, and I'm limiting my top speed to 17 knots. Closest I can come.

My other two captains both did their turnarounds on September 1, and I'll randomize their leave so who knows when they'll set out. I'll start another one from the 2nd on December 1st when the IX is ready.

I'll also be running the same career patterns in SH4 UBM OM, and even more when the Americans come in. It's going to be a long war.

Jimbuna · 05-14-10, 06:01 AM

I tend to find that the submarine in a convoy (usually the British S class) lags a bit at the rear of the convoy and it is usually they're reports that warn the escorts of a hunter approaching from the rear.

My remedy for this is usually to take the sub out with my deck gun or eel(dependant upon your position) then go deep on a following course to that of the convoy.

If an escort comes sniffing you are usually safe at depth and in silent running mode.

Once they leave the scene to take up their convoy station again you can surface and hopefully pick off the rearmost ships in the convoy, one by one....repeating the previous operation if and when an escort comes sniffing again.

RConch · 05-14-10, 10:09 AM

I have enough problems just keeping "Karl Wolff" alive in one career.
Good intelligence on the Brit sub, something I didn't think of.

Doesn't using the deck gun alert the other escorts or panic a merchy? Seems rather bold. I do like the torp in him idea.

I did wonder why a good percentage of my rear convoy attacks failed.
Does the Brit sub engage you also with his gun?

Jimbuna · 05-14-10, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rconch

I have enough problems just keeping "Karl Wolff" alive in one career.
Good intelligence on the Brit sub, something I didn't think of.

Doesn't using the deck gun alert the other escorts or panic a merchy? Seems rather bold. I do like the torp in him idea.

I did wonder why a good percentage of my rear convoy attacks failed.
Does the Brit sub engage you also with his gun?

They all calm down a bit after 20 or so minutes usually.

Yes, the S Class will engage you with direct fire from the deck gun.

bigboywooly · 05-14-10, 02:08 PM

The longer you spend in render range before sighting the convoy will determine how far back the sub is
All AI subs in SH3 run 1-2 kts slower than the speed set so when in render range the sub will start to lag
As its part of the RND group its governed by the speed of the rest of the group
Never could figure out why they always ran slower than the speed set
In SH5 tis opposite they run a LOT faster than speed set for some reason

Most odd

05-13-10, 08:17 PM	#1
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Still amazes me... The sim amazes me still ... I set up 3 boats from the same flotilla to patrol in the year 1940 (fall). I assigned one boat to be a seasoned skipper who knows many tricks, and new skipper who was an exec and now has his own command, and the third is right out of the chute - eager but tentative. I put on the personae of the each and I just played #3 with his band of young sea pups. He tracked a convoy well enough but his interception was off. Indecision. He spotted a straggler left behind whose bow was plowing and saw that as easy meat. But 4 eels missed with shots to the tramp's stern at night using the surface UZO - the tramp steamer then put the lights on him as best they could (his exec. said 'we are in for it now, the escorts will come back'. Watch said 'no sign of the convoy' so they reloaded the tubes and hung back 1500m. Then star shells. The young kaleun decided to reverse direction and run at flank speed away. He knew his crew was green and they did not have a chance. The escort came to the aid of the tramp steamer like a mama elk defending her lost charge. Red faced the Kaleun knew he better shape the crew up as well as himself. In his log he noted a 'submarine' in the convoy ... maybe 4 escorts. Plan is to head east for another intercept when they head NE. It is a gamble. __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html

05-13-10, 08:27 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	You're not the only one. I've just added a bunch of new mods, including FM's Interiors. Now I have three shiny new careers, one from each flotilla. I always do a quick turnaround in the harbor so I can add stuff right away, and so I'll never start on the first of the month. My skipper from the 2nd did his August 1st and then I set Commander's Days In Base to 18. So I put out on the 19th, just like for real, and it's now September 3rd and Britain has declared war, so I'm finally in business. By the way, My boat was a VIIa so I dumped two of the stern eels and one forward, and got rid of the externals. I now have 10 forward and 1 aft, and I'm limiting my top speed to 17 knots. Closest I can come. My other two captains both did their turnarounds on September 1, and I'll randomize their leave so who knows when they'll set out. I'll start another one from the 2nd on December 1st when the IX is ready. I'll also be running the same career patterns in SH4 UBM OM, and even more when the Americans come in. It's going to be a long war. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-14-10, 10:09 AM	#4
RConch Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: No. Virginia Posts: 619 Downloads: 518 Uploads: 0	I have enough problems just keeping "Karl Wolff" alive in one career. Good intelligence on the Brit sub, something I didn't think of. Doesn't using the deck gun alert the other escorts or panic a merchy? Seems rather bold. I do like the torp in him idea. I did wonder why a good percentage of my rear convoy attacks failed. Does the Brit sub engage you also with his gun? __________________ "Noch und Noch" Prowling the Nord Atlantik with GWX 3.0.

05-14-10, 02:08 PM	#6
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	The longer you spend in render range before sighting the convoy will determine how far back the sub is All AI subs in SH3 run 1-2 kts slower than the speed set so when in render range the sub will start to lag As its part of the RND group its governed by the speed of the rest of the group Never could figure out why they always ran slower than the speed set In SH5 tis opposite they run a LOT faster than speed set for some reason Most odd __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

05-14-10, 06:01 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,142 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I tend to find that the submarine in a convoy (usually the British S class) lags a bit at the rear of the convoy and it is usually they're reports that warn the escorts of a hunter approaching from the rear. My remedy for this is usually to take the sub out with my deck gun or eel(dependant upon your position) then go deep on a following course to that of the convoy. If an escort comes sniffing you are usually safe at depth and in silent running mode. Once they leave the scene to take up their convoy station again you can surface and hopefully pick off the rearmost ships in the convoy, one by one....repeating the previous operation if and when an escort comes sniffing again. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!