Va's AG continues to abuse his office

[Torvald Von Mansee]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050304139.html

"In light of the Climategate e-mails, there does seem to at least be an argument to be made that a course was undertaken by some of the individuals involved, including potentially Michael Mann, where they were steering a course to reach a conclusion," he said. "Our act, frankly, just requires honesty."


That has got to be one of the most intellectually disingenuous statements I've seen in a long time.

What an obvious fishing expedition!!!

There's a reason virtually all of the top flight American colleges and universities are located outside of the Bible belt, who's interests it's pretty safe to say this guy represents.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Someone on another site who holds a PhD offered this observation:

"Having met Dr. Michael Mann, I assure you he is no Mick Jagger or [insert rock star of your choice]. The dude is straight up, no frills, honest, and not out to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. He openly admits that there are still things that need to be worked out and he prefers discussing climate change happening differently in various world regions rather than the single averaged study that was published (he was part of that work, but his research focuses on how different regions will be affected by climate changes).

Also, when you score money for research (climate or any other kind) it doesn't go to pay personal bills. The money goes for equipment, research related travel, time on fancy fast computers, slave wages for lab techs/grads/undergrads/postdocs, and ****ing university overhead. Occasionally, grants provide some funding for conference travel and article publication (many scientific journals charge authors as well as put them through the peer-review process). AFAIK grant money does not score one a salary. This may differ in some of the medical sciences or engineering stuff, but in academia a prof is paid a salary (usually pretty crappy in comparison to the money they could make in private industry) by the university and their grant money pays for research.

This is yet another attempt to defraud science. This is not the work of healthy skepticism (which scientists engage in a lot as part of their knowledge creation model - you have to show good evidence or you get a torn a new one), this is the work of someone who most likely owes some corporate sponsor a favor and/or truly believes that the pursuit of knowledge and overall improvement of the well being/sustainability of our shared planet is a terrible thing. F__k Cuccinelli."

[SteamWake]

Dude has his own thread goin

[NeonSamurai]

Maybe, but the quote in the second post is pretty much on the money imho (as a scientific type).

Also the guy is using his office to push his own private agenda and circumvent due process. I would call that an abuse of his position.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Maybe, but the quote in the second post is pretty much on the money imho (as a scientific type).

Also the guy is using his office to push his own private agenda and circumvent due process. I would call that an abuse of his position.

Ayup. And people already knew what a nut he was before they elected him.

[CaptainHaplo]

Torvald, you continue to show how much of a political hack you are. Somehow this is a "threat to science" - when the only thing requested were documents regarding research and grant applications, as well as correspondance between Mann and other scientists. The man was being funded by taxpayers - and yet somehow making sure that he was on the up and up is an "abuse of power"....

So what your trying to say is any greeny, liberal pet project of social engineering that chooses to operate under the guise of "science" should just be given a pass and not have to actually be monitored. The reality is that just the IT notes show the data used in much of the climate data studies is more than just suspect, but inherently unverifiable AND unsourceable. That doesn't mean global warming isn't happening, but it also means that the claims that it is are much less than "irrefutable". Protecting the taxpayers from being defrauded - is what the man's job is.

Sorry you don't like that fact, but then, we can't really expect a political hack like you to be able to use any reasonable judgement on what is right and wrong.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Dude has his own thread goin

When unable to argue, ridicule?

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

When unable to argue, ridicule?

Nah just found it funny