Burn Witches! Burn!

04-23-10, 05:15 PM

As there are many threads laced with slams towards the Romain Devs,
I'd just like to say a few things.

I don't really care much about the state of this Game so far.
I have this feeling that it will all be good someday.
Much like SH3.

I don't feel I got burned by getting the Game.
I expected MUCH worse!

And delays of patches means little to me.
I know they are working on them.
I've met Dan, and I trust him.

I can joke with him about things and he understands that I joke.
He also listens and cares more then many of you can see.

I'm sure the other Devs do also.

We only harm ourselves by placeing pressure on them
and questioning thier intents.
Put yourselves in thier shoes for just a month!

I doubt few here could even come close to what they attempt!

Yes, they are under some extreme pressure!
Both from Ubi higher ups, and worst of all US!
We should be supporting the Devs!
Not stabbing them in the back!

Flame Suit is on!

Regards!

Flopper · 04-23-10, 05:25 PM

Blaming devs for the shortcomings of a product is about like blaming soldiers for losing a battle.

Moeceefus · 04-23-10, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Flopper

Blaming devs for the shortcomings of a product is about like blaming soldiers for losing a battle.

i agree. honestly i have had a great time with sh5 so far. i have had a few annoying bugs, but nothing game breaking. i also have not had any issues with the drm. whenever i have wanted to play it, i have. i notice most of the people who complain dont even own the game! all i know is that there is far more than one in every crowd.

04-23-10, 06:09 PM

Well, in all fairness?
You can blame Soldiers for loseing battles.
History proves that if you care to look.

You can also say Soldiers have won battles that they never should have won.

Not a good example haveing been in situations like that myself.

TwistedFemur · 04-23-10, 06:44 PM

I dont blame the developers for this pile of sea snot. I put 100% of the blame on the publishers.

And even drm is removed later winning one batlle does not a war make

Flopper · 04-23-10, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

Well, in all fairness?
You can blame Soldiers for loseing battles.
History proves that if you care to look.

Definitely of interest to me. I did a quick google search of "soldiers were to blame" and ended up with the same (fairly humorous) theme.

When were the soldiers to blame (and by soldiers I really am refering o the lower ranks) for losing a battle?

Lord Justice · 04-23-10, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flopper

Definitely of interest to me. I did a quick google search of "soldiers were to blame" and ended up with the same (fairly humorous) theme.

(and by soldiers I really am refering o the lower ranks) for losing a battle?

The old saying, Foward they cried from the rear!! and the front rank died.

mobucks · 04-23-10, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flopper

Blaming devs for the shortcomings of a product is about like blaming soldiers for losing a battle.

good reply.

Adriatico · 04-23-10, 09:05 PM

Generals vs Soldiers is too simplified model...

Devs are not children, they are more than capable to explain their internal relations:

"1) Ubisoft is a company, of which Ubisoft Romania is a part. Please stop separating the two. Not everything that is good is our merit, not everything that is bad is "the suits" fault. I, of all people, have my parts in the failures of SH5. The people "high up" could have simply decided not to do another SH, just as you guys can choose not to buy."

goldorak · 04-25-10, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flopper

Blaming devs for the shortcomings of a product is about like blaming soldiers for losing a battle.

In the real world it doesn't work like that. Generals can have all the strategic view they want but its the men on the ground that have to implement your strategy.
If your men are poor fighters, nothing is going to reverse your defeat on the battlefield even if you have excellent Generals in your staff.
The 2 go hand in hand. And sometimes victory on the field has been achieved notwithstanding poor strategic and tactical view. Maybe because the adversary was even in worse conditions than your army etc...

The bugs in SH 5 weren't programmed by Ubisoft suits.
It was the dev team that programmed the game. It was the dev team that recycled more or less some parts of SH 3 and 4 for SH 5. It was the dev team that choose to implement features in certain specific ways.
The features and bugs that are present in SH 5 are the dev teams fault and nobody else's if you want to cross every t and dot every i.

And as the lead dev said on this forum, there is no difference between us (dev team) and Ubisoft.
The failure of one is the failure of the other.

Placoderm · 04-25-10, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldorak

In the real world it doesn't work like that. Generals can have all the strategic view they want but its the men on the ground that have to implement your strategy.
If your men are poor fighters, nothing is going to reverse your defeat on the battlefield even if you have excellent Generals in your staff.
The 2 go hand in hand. And sometimes victory on the field has been achieved notwithstanding poor strategic and tactical view. Maybe because the adversary was even in worse conditions than your army etc...

The bugs in SH 5 weren't programmed by Ubisoft suits.
It was the dev team that programmed the game. It was the dev team that recycled more or less some parts of SH 3 and 4 for SH 5. It was the dev team that choose to implement features in certain specific ways.
The features and bugs that are present in SH 5 are the dev teams fault and nobody else's if you want to cross every t and dot every i.

And as the lead dev said on this forum, there is no difference between us (dev team) and Ubisoft.
The failure of one is the failure of the other.

Flopper · 04-25-10, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldorak

In the real world it doesn't work like that. Generals can have all the strategic view they want but its the men on the ground that have to implement your strategy.
If your men are poor fighters, nothing is going to reverse your defeat on the battlefield even if you have excellent Generals in your staff.

I'd still shift the blame toward the generals for employing poorly trained fighters before I'd blame the fighters for being poorly trained.

kylania · 04-25-10, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flopper

I'd still shift the blame toward the generals for employing poorly trained fighters before I'd blame the fighters for being poorly trained.

Creepy avatar is creepy.

Cohaagen · 04-28-10, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flopper

Blaming devs for the shortcomings of a product is about like blaming soldiers for losing a battle.

Worst analogy/attempt at profundity/metaphor ever? Can it be matched?

I'm only kidding, of course - blaming me for this post is like blaming people who think up something and post it on the internet.

Subsim will eat itself.

PS: I blame the cleaners, myself.

Jimbuna · 04-28-10, 06:57 PM

I'm sorry, I think (but the repitition is quite......entertaining)

04-23-10, 05:15 PM	#1
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Burn Witches! Burn! As there are many threads laced with slams towards the Romain Devs, I'd just like to say a few things. I don't really care much about the state of this Game so far. I have this feeling that it will all be good someday. Much like SH3. I don't feel I got burned by getting the Game. I expected MUCH worse! And delays of patches means little to me. I know they are working on them. I've met Dan, and I trust him. I can joke with him about things and he understands that I joke. He also listens and cares more then many of you can see. I'm sure the other Devs do also. We only harm ourselves by placeing pressure on them and questioning thier intents. Put yourselves in thier shoes for just a month! I doubt few here could even come close to what they attempt! Yes, they are under some extreme pressure! Both from Ubi higher ups, and worst of all US! We should be supporting the Devs! Not stabbing them in the back! Flame Suit is on! Regards!

04-23-10, 05:25 PM	#2
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04-23-10, 09:05 PM	#9
Adriatico Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: Periscope depth Posts: 860 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	Generals vs Soldiers is too simplified model... Devs are not children, they are more than capable to explain their internal relations: "1) Ubisoft is a company, of which Ubisoft Romania is a part. Please stop separating the two. Not everything that is good is our merit, not everything that is bad is "the suits" fault. I, of all people, have my parts in the failures of SH5. The people "high up" could have simply decided not to do another SH, just as you guys can choose not to buy." __________________

04-28-10, 06:57 PM	#15
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,544 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I'm sorry, I think (but the repitition is quite......entertaining) __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-23-10, 06:09 PM	#4
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Well, in all fairness? You can blame Soldiers for loseing battles. History proves that if you care to look. You can also say Soldiers have won battles that they never should have won. Not a good example haveing been in situations like that myself.