Hawaii to pass the "Coverup" bill

Freiwillige · 04-21-10, 04:27 PM

Bill would shun Obama birth certificate requests

Associated Press
Posted on April 21, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Updated today at 2:00 PM

HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii lawmakers are moving closer to passing a measure allowing the state to ignore repeated requests for President Barack Obama's birth certificate.
A conference committee unanimously voted Tuesday to advance the bill to final votes in the House and Senate.
The proposal allows state government agencies not to respond to follow-up requests for information if they determine that the subsequent request is duplicative or substantially similar to a previous request.
The bill is aimed at so-called "birthers," who claim Obama is ineligible to be president. They say he was actually born outside the United States, and therefore doesn't meet a constitutional requirement for being president.
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The bill is SB2937.

04-21-10, 07:25 PM

So this bill means they no longer have to waste money releasing information individually to every crackpot lunatic if they have already released it.
Wow they still get around 20 muppets a week asking for the information. I didn't realise the birthers could be so consistantly dumb.

Freiwillige · 04-21-10, 08:03 PM

Birthers, I love the slang terms that political opposition groups come up with to silence people. Its an old trick really and works well. Basically you use a word while slamming around negative ideas linked to the word until it sticks and creates what they call in psychology a "negative emotional response" in the masses.

Examples being Commie for Communism or Nazi for National Socialism.

Anyhow back to the Birthers comment. Until the proof is in the pudding as they say I do not see an issue as I understand it with these "Birthers" wanting to know a very expensively hidden truth.

Now many will say that his birth certificate was shown but.....
It is actually a certification of live birth which can be had without birth taking place in the U.S.

“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]”
Everybody get that?
As long as an adult can walk into Hawaii’s version of the Department of Records and provide proof that they are a legal resident of Hawaii, the document is issued.
The child, on the other hand, could have been born in Hawaii, Kenya, or a back-alley in Budapest.

Now I can care less one way or another but, I do believe as history has shown that anybody who has something to hide usually does so and at great lengths. The truth one way or another will eventually come out.

Thresher · 04-21-10, 08:21 PM

It cracks me up that the bill has a sunset date of 1 July 2013.

I guess the Hawaii legislators figure Obama won't get re-elected.

I will give their lawmakers credit for redacting the term "Birther" and replacing it with "vexatious requester".

Platapus · 04-21-10, 08:23 PM

http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/...n_the_usa.html

CaptainHaplo · 04-21-10, 08:23 PM

Here lies the problem.....

IF those who have already - under FOIA requests, gotten certified copies of the documents - as "birthers" - why is it that as soon as the request was filled - they were not out in the streets proclaiming "SEE WE TOLD YOU SO!" ....... unless of course the record provided showed he was a US citizen.....

But then - if it did that - their failure to notify all their "birther" friends and help to end this issue is a real pity. I detest double standards on stuff like this - regardless of which "side" its on....

August · 04-21-10, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Here lies the problem.....

IF those who have already - under FOIA requests, gotten certified copies of the documents - as "birthers" - why is it that as soon as the request was filled - they were not out in the streets proclaiming "SEE WE TOLD YOU SO!" ....... unless of course the record provided showed he was a US citizen.....

But then - if it did that - their failure to notify all their "birther" friends and help to end this issue is a real pity. I detest double standards on stuff like this - regardless of which "side" its on....

This ^

Platapus · 04-21-10, 08:38 PM

Does anyone really think that Mr. Obama would be able to not only run for but be elected to the office of State Senator, Federal Senator, President of the United States, without some government office verifying his basic qualifications? At least once?

He was elected to three separate offices, each requiring that he be a US citizen, and he was able to fool all three? Even when he was a no body first running for state senator?

I just can't see that.

Lots of things to complain about Mr. Obama. His citizenship is the least of them.

04-21-10, 04:27 PM	#1
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Hawaii to pass the "Coverup" bill Bill would shun Obama birth certificate requests Associated Press Posted on April 21, 2010 at 2:00 PM Updated today at 2:00 PM HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii lawmakers are moving closer to passing a measure allowing the state to ignore repeated requests for President Barack Obama's birth certificate. A conference committee unanimously voted Tuesday to advance the bill to final votes in the House and Senate. The proposal allows state government agencies not to respond to follow-up requests for information if they determine that the subsequent request is duplicative or substantially similar to a previous request. The bill is aimed at so-called "birthers," who claim Obama is ineligible to be president. They say he was actually born outside the United States, and therefore doesn't meet a constitutional requirement for being president. ___ The bill is SB2937.

04-21-10, 08:23 PM	#5
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/...n_the_usa.html __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-21-10, 08:23 PM	#6
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Here lies the problem..... IF those who have already - under FOIA requests, gotten certified copies of the documents - as "birthers" - why is it that as soon as the request was filled - they were not out in the streets proclaiming "SEE WE TOLD YOU SO!" ....... unless of course the record provided showed he was a US citizen..... But then - if it did that - their failure to notify all their "birther" friends and help to end this issue is a real pity. I detest double standards on stuff like this - regardless of which "side" its on.... __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

04-21-10, 08:38 PM	#8
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Does anyone really think that Mr. Obama would be able to not only run for but be elected to the office of State Senator, Federal Senator, President of the United States, without some government office verifying his basic qualifications? At least once? He was elected to three separate offices, each requiring that he be a US citizen, and he was able to fool all three? Even when he was a no body first running for state senator? I just can't see that. Lots of things to complain about Mr. Obama. His citizenship is the least of them. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-21-10, 07:25 PM	#2
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	So this bill means they no longer have to waste money releasing information individually to every crackpot lunatic if they have already released it. Wow they still get around 20 muppets a week asking for the information. I didn't realise the birthers could be so consistantly dumb.

04-21-10, 08:03 PM	#3
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Birthers, I love the slang terms that political opposition groups come up with to silence people. Its an old trick really and works well. Basically you use a word while slamming around negative ideas linked to the word until it sticks and creates what they call in psychology a "negative emotional response" in the masses. Examples being Commie for Communism or Nazi for National Socialism. Anyhow back to the Birthers comment. Until the proof is in the pudding as they say I do not see an issue as I understand it with these "Birthers" wanting to know a very expensively hidden truth. Now many will say that his birth certificate was shown but..... It is actually a certification of live birth which can be had without birth taking place in the U.S. “[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child. (b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate. (c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]” Everybody get that? As long as an adult can walk into Hawaii’s version of the Department of Records and provide proof that *they* are a legal resident of Hawaii, the document is issued. The child, on the other hand, could have been born in Hawaii, Kenya, or a back-alley in Budapest. Now I can care less one way or another but, I do believe as history has shown that anybody who has something to hide usually does so and at great lengths. The truth one way or another will eventually come out.

04-21-10, 08:21 PM	#4
Thresher Sparky Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 151 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	It cracks me up that the bill has a sunset date of 1 July 2013. I guess the Hawaii legislators figure Obama won't get re-elected. I will give their lawmakers credit for redacting the term "Birther" and replacing it with "vexatious requester".