Have they improved Escort AI at all?

tater · 03-27-10, 11:36 AM

Curious about that. Do DC throwers still "fire as they bear" or did they script something more realistic like dropping DCs in a pattern?

This is another thing where substance matters so much more than flash. Real ASW doctrine usually involved dropping a pattern of charges to maximize the chances of a hit. In Sh4, the AI seemed to be based on each DC thrower as a sort of "gun" making it's own best shot. As a result an escort with many throwers tends to make a broadside where all the DCs land very close to each other instead of throwing them to maximize the beaten zone.

alexradu89 · 03-27-10, 11:56 AM

The AI is MUCH MORE crappy than it was in SH3 and SH4 because of some bugs... at the moment it's VERY EASY to slip past DDs or attack ships near them, and the depth charging fails aswell

hopefully the next patch will fix it. I was in Scapa Flow, and from the 4 destroyers that were circling me and attempting a depth charge, 3 ran aground and sank, while the 4th just stopped a few hundred meters behind me and I sank her with 1 torpedo

Onkel Neal · 03-27-10, 12:02 PM

I agree, it's pretty inconsistent. Sometimes the AI reacts according to what I think is a fairly realistic fashion, other times... not sure what it's doing.

wamphyri · 03-27-10, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by alexradu89

The AI is MUCH MORE crappy than it was in SH3 and SH4 because of some bugs... at the moment it's VERY EASY to slip past DDs or attack ships near them, and the depth charging fails aswell

hopefully the next patch will fix it. I was in Scapa Flow, and from the 4 destroyers that were circling me and attempting a depth charge, 3 ran aground and sank, while the 4th just stopped a few hundred meters behind me and I sank her with 1 torpedo

I was reading the AI scripts and apparently if an escort is under 1000 tons then it's scripted to stay around 300m away from you

03-27-10, 01:43 PM

from all the reports IMO the whole AI system is broken or "incomplete" and in need of lots of follow up work, my guess is it wasnt a high priority to get it right but just get it finished and fine tune it in patches was the mindset.

im told planes wont ever attack you even if you shoot one down the other flies away like your not there

Arclight · 03-27-10, 05:45 PM

Planes only attack if they have external weapons, and ship AI is pretty complex but the implemenation needs some work.

There's all kinds of group behaviours in there, but half is commented out.

Ablemaster · 03-27-10, 05:58 PM

The AI is very disappointing and certainly not consistent. Guesing AI took a back seat here, lets hope a patch can improve their behaviour. Without decent AI SH5 sinks like a brick, nice graphics are good but their just nice if the Ai dont play ball.

Athlonic · 03-28-10, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by wamphyri

I was reading the AI scripts and apparently if an escort is under 1000 tons then it's scripted to stay around 300m away from you

Errrr, and what is funny about this ?

Without this strategie you would be able to sink every Escort ship lighter than 1000tons simply by ramming them...
This strategie is intented to make them go away if you try too.

03-27-10, 11:36 AM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Have they improved Escort AI at all? Curious about that. Do DC throwers still "fire as they bear" or did they script something more realistic like dropping DCs in a pattern? This is another thing where substance matters so much more than flash. Real ASW doctrine usually involved dropping a pattern of charges to maximize the chances of a hit. In Sh4, the AI seemed to be based on each DC thrower as a sort of "gun" making it's own best shot. As a result an escort with many throwers tends to make a broadside where all the DCs land very close to each other instead of throwing them to maximize the beaten zone.

03-27-10, 12:02 PM	#3
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I agree, it's pretty inconsistent. Sometimes the AI reacts according to what I think is a fairly realistic fashion, other times... not sure what it's doing. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

03-27-10, 05:45 PM	#6
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Planes only attack if they have external weapons, and ship AI is pretty complex but the implemenation needs some work. There's all kinds of group behaviours in there, but half is commented out. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia. Last edited by Arclight; 03-27-10 at 07:53 PM.

03-27-10, 05:58 PM	#7
Ablemaster An able master Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: England Posts: 274 Downloads: 121 Uploads: 5	The AI is very disappointing and certainly not consistent. Guesing AI took a back seat here, lets hope a patch can improve their behaviour. Without decent AI SH5 sinks like a brick, nice graphics are good but their just nice if the Ai dont play ball. __________________

03-27-10, 11:56 AM	#2
alexradu89 Lieutenant Join Date: May 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 259 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	The AI is MUCH MORE crappy than it was in SH3 and SH4 because of some bugs... at the moment it's VERY EASY to slip past DDs or attack ships near them, and the depth charging fails aswell hopefully the next patch will fix it. I was in Scapa Flow, and from the 4 destroyers that were circling me and attempting a depth charge, 3 ran aground and sank, while the 4th just stopped a few hundred meters behind me and I sank her with 1 torpedo

03-27-10, 01:43 PM	#5
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	from all the reports IMO the whole AI system is broken or "incomplete" and in need of lots of follow up work, my guess is it wasnt a high priority to get it right but just get it finished and fine tune it in patches was the mindset. im told planes wont ever attack you even if you shoot one down the other flies away like your not there