Navy Captain Assaults Crew

ETR3(SS) · 03-10-10, 09:38 PM

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(AP) A Navy captain was demoted because she berated and assaulted her crew, not because she led her guided missile cruiser on a drag-race with another U.S. warship in the Pacific, an investigation shows.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6269357.shtml

I think forced retirement is in order here for this one, at the very least!

krashkart · 03-10-10, 09:46 PM

My third grade teacher in drag!

Bubblehead1980 · 03-11-10, 03:56 AM

Sounds like she is a prime example of being promoted based on genitalia and not merit, which finally caught up with her since she showed her true colors.

03-11-10, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Sounds like she is a prime example of being promoted based on genitalia and not merit, which finally caught up with her since she showed her true colors.

Agreed.

The world is getting stranger by the day.

PC BS!

Castout · 03-11-10, 05:38 AM

She would make great pirate

Yarr!

TarJak · 03-11-10, 05:51 AM

Was one of her ancestors named Bligh?

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 03-11-10, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Sounds like she is a prime example of being promoted based on genitalia and not merit, which finally caught up with her since she showed her true colors.

From the comments on blogs, it seems like she has been showing her true color since her XO tour, but the Navy just didn't do anything. The debate is how much the Navy knew but didn't act.

Jimbuna · 03-11-10, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Sounds like she is a prime example of being promoted based on genitalia and not merit, which finally caught up with her since she showed her true colors.

Quite possibly

Pretty little thing isn't she?

Onkel Neal · 03-11-10, 09:27 AM

Wait a second:

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Graf assaulted subordinates (pushing one, grabbing another and once throwing wadded up paper at another sailor) and that she regularly verbally abused subordinates by publicly berating them, belittling them and using profane language.

So? It's the military, isn't it?

It's not like shot anyone.

krashkart · 03-11-10, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Wait a second:

So? It's the military, isn't it?

It's not like shot anyone.

My Dad didn't throw paper at me when I screwed up. He wore steel toes. I survived.

ETR3(SS) · 03-11-10, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Wait a second:

So? It's the military, isn't it?

It's not like shot anyone.

Yes it is the military, the PC military of today. But at the same time she was an officer, and officers are alone held to a much higher standard of conduct.

03-11-10, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Sounds like she is a prime example of being promoted based on genitalia and not merit, which finally caught up with her since she showed her true colors.

Not necessarily, abusing authority and being stupid at the same time tends to be a gender neutral activity.

Platapus · 03-11-10, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Sounds like she is a prime example of being promoted based on genitalia and not merit, which finally caught up with her since she showed her true colors.

That's BS

This is just a case of a person (gender independent) who was unfit for command. It could as easily been a guy and there have been guys removed for this very same issue. Would you say they were promoted for their genitalia?

Don't make this in to a sexism case unless you have some actual evidence that her sex was a major factor in this.

Sorry for the soapbox, but I have served with, and continue to work with some very professional women in the military.

This was just a bad individual.

frau kaleun · 03-11-10, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

That's BS

This is just a case of a person (gender independent) who was unfit for command. It could as easily been a guy and there have been guys removed for this very same issue. Would you say they were promoted for their genitalia?

Don't make this in to a sexism case unless you have some actual evidence that her sex was a major factor in this.

Sorry for the soapbox, but I have served with, and continue to work with some very professional women in the military.

This was just a bad individual.

+1 and thank you.

Bubblehead Nuke · 03-11-10, 04:39 PM

I have read about this CO all over the net and I think she is being singled out unfairly.

She swears. And? She is a SAILOR. Sailors swear. If they do not they are lying. She says she uses foul language to intentionally pressurize a situation. I for one AGREE with her usage. She was the CO on a COMBAT ship, not a cruise ship. Combat is STRESSFUL. There is an old saying Train Hard, Fight easy.

She intimidated her crew by yelling at them. And? She is the CAPTAIN. Is she supposed to comfort them and make them feel good because they can not do their jobs? No, She jumps them and let them know that they have messed up. People DIE because you mess up.

She intimidated her department heads by tell them to not bring their problems to her and yelled at them. And?? Well, she is the CO. She EXPECTS those who have been promoted to a position to take a leadership role and DO THEIR JOBS. In todays Navy you can not easily fire someone. You have a choice. You MAKE them do their jobs or you do it FOR them. I applaud her making them do what they are supposed to. They make decisions. If they make the wrong one the lets them know. What are they gonna do when the command structure is DEAD due to a missile hit? Call Washington for advice?

She had a race with her ship? SO? It take TWO ships to have a race. Why isn't the OTHER CO in hot water? Have you heard anything about that ships CO? On this topic, if you are foolish enough to think that this sort of stuff does NOT happen you are a fool. Sailors take PRIDE in their ships, boats, targets. They WANT bragging rights. You dang RIGHT they had a drag race. I can bet you this happens ALL the time. I know that if you knew what we did with our sub at odd times you would think that we wee irresponsible as well. We did it to have FUN and to have a bragging right.

It is SO easy to armchair quarterback this story and make sexist remarks. When MALE CO's do it they are showing Command Ability. When a woman does it she is a Bly?

Bah.. PC military...What a bunch of *****'* they have now. They are more fearful of being called out being mean/overbearing/sexist and not making Admiral, General, or whatever than they are of not doing their JOBS. I am fearful for my son that is deploying to Afghanistan soon. I just hope his CO, squad leaders, etc made him ready for combat instead of being an 'ambassador'.

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Bubblehead Nuke XO Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 435 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I have read about this CO all over the net and I think she is being singled out unfairly. She swears. And? She is a SAILOR. Sailors swear. If they do not they are lying. She says she uses foul language to intentionally pressurize a situation. I for one AGREE with her usage. She was the CO on a COMBAT ship, not a cruise ship. Combat is STRESSFUL. There is an old saying Train Hard, Fight easy. She intimidated her crew by yelling at them. And? She is the CAPTAIN. Is she supposed to comfort them and make them feel good because they can not do their jobs? No, She jumps them and let them know that they have messed up. People DIE because you mess up. She intimidated her department heads by tell them to not bring their problems to her and yelled at them. And?? Well, she is the CO. She EXPECTS those who have been promoted to a position to take a leadership role and DO THEIR JOBS. In todays Navy you can not easily fire someone. You have a choice. You MAKE them do their jobs or you do it FOR them. I applaud her making them do what they are supposed to. They make decisions. If they make the wrong one the lets them know. What are they gonna do when the command structure is DEAD due to a missile hit? Call Washington for advice? She had a race with her ship? SO? It take TWO ships to have a race. Why isn't the OTHER CO in hot water? Have you heard anything about that ships CO? On this topic, if you are foolish enough to think that this sort of stuff does NOT happen you are a fool. Sailors take PRIDE in their ships, boats, targets. They WANT bragging rights. You dang RIGHT they had a drag race. I can bet you this happens ALL the time. I know that if you knew what we did with our sub at odd times you would think that we wee irresponsible as well. We did it to have FUN and to have a bragging right. It is SO easy to armchair quarterback this story and make sexist remarks. When MALE CO's do it they are showing Command Ability. When a woman does it she is a Bly? Bah.. PC military...What a bunch of ****' they have now. They are more fearful of being called out being mean/overbearing/sexist and not making Admiral, General, or whatever than they are of not doing their JOBS. I am fearful for my son that is deploying to Afghanistan soon. I just hope his CO, squad leaders, etc made him ready for combat instead of being an 'ambassador'.