100,000tns

walsh2509 · 03-06-10, 10:02 PM

The mission to get 100,000 of the south coast of Ireland before , what is it Aug or whatever 1940 is more than a bit much.

Apart from the travel and fuel used just to get on site ( I go the long way round) you would need to carry x 4 the amount of torps just to get half of that, I think the devs have turned down the true destructive power of torps.

And that Super Ability you purchase with your renown points is to bring it back up to what it should be, Ive turned off the bars above the ships in fact map contacts and manual targetting are the only 2 I have not got I think my overall % is 70 odds.

But one thing the bars above the ships showed you need 4 hits just to sink a 7,000tn Merchant. In SH3 and SH4+Uboat missions, I could sink bigger with 1 well placed torp, I found that if you hit a ship low or just under then you would sink or stop them dead in the water.

I do think the default torps in SH5 are weaker , hence this buy a bigger bang.

I was off the south of Ireland when I ran into this large convoy , I fired all my torps 1 missed all the others were hits , 1 7,000tn Merchant sunk. And that took 3 torps ( I spent some of my renown point on the torpedo mans ability * ) and instead of 4 torps it took 3. I hit another with 2 and another with 2 with 1 each those 8 were my last torps.

4 ships hit , 1 sunk = 3 torps , another hit with 2 and another 2 ships hit with 1 each.

1 down , the other 3 burning from bow to stern but just sailed on ..

in SH4 Uboat add on , with 8 torps I would have put down about 6 ships, even if only 3 the other 3 would have been slowed down that they would have been left behind and I would put those down with my deck gun.

I said that the start I was not going to buy the ability to make the torp have a bigger bang, that was until I started to play it and found out that Merchants I would have sunk or crippled with 1 torps take 4 to sink and anything less they just sail on as if nothing has happened.

I might be wrong but as I said , I think the devs have turned down the power of the default torps and you only get them back to what they should be by gving renown ability to the guys in the torpedo room.

Jeevz · 03-06-10, 10:08 PM

You have from September '39 to June '40 to do it (if you take it first), that should be plenty of time with the stock traffic. There are lots of convoys and they use shipping lanes so you can pick up a lot of tonnage patroling south of Ireland and west of the westernmost tip of England. A few convoy lanes come together right there and it's good hunting.

Sunfighter · 03-06-10, 10:24 PM

Put the torp under the hull magnetic setting, youll snap the boat like a twig with one shot if you do it right.

CCIP · 03-06-10, 10:29 PM

I find the ship damage model to be surprisingly broken right now. Not completely broken, but it seems to follow an all-or-nothing logic. Either your torpedoes outright destroy or sink the ship, or it keeps sailing forward after 2, 3 torpedo hits. I've had very few instances of propulsion damage or partial flooding that substantially affected a ship.

Something to be fixed soon hopefully. I know iambecomelife said he was already looking into remodeling/rebalancing ship damage a bit.

remowilliams · 03-06-10, 10:37 PM

I thought this would be a bit much too, but then I ran into a nice big convoy without escorts and it was a field day to finish off the second half of the goal.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=497

I've seen ships take silly damage on occasion and keep going, but most I've hit require two torps max. The flooding aspect does seem rather suspect.

The damage model looks really frustrating when there is a ship completely ablaze and half underwater and it keeps plowing along...

gutted · 03-06-10, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I find the ship damage model to be surprisingly broken right now. Not completely broken, but it seems to follow an all-or-nothing logic. Either your torpedoes outright destroy or sink the ship, or it keeps sailing forward after 2, 3 torpedo hits. I've had very few instances of propulsion damage or partial flooding that substantially affected a ship.

Something to be fixed soon hopefully. I know iambecomelife said he was already looking into remodeling/rebalancing ship damage a bit.

Dude, i had a ship sitting nose low int he water at a 45 degree angle. It looked like the titanic. I waited for hours and he wouldn't sink.

I surface and put two rounds into him and he sinks.

CCIP · 03-06-10, 10:41 PM

Well, as far as I understand, all the damage model controls are mostly identical between SHIII/IV and V. So hopefully that's something that either patches or mods will bring to a more reasonable state soon.

kylania · 03-07-10, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gutted

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I find the ship damage model to be surprisingly broken right now. Not completely broken, but it seems to follow an all-or-nothing logic. Either your torpedoes outright destroy or sink the ship, or it keeps sailing forward after 2, 3 torpedo hits. I've had very few instances of propulsion damage or partial flooding that substantially affected a ship.

Something to be fixed soon hopefully. I know iambecomelife said he was already looking into remodeling/rebalancing ship damage a bit.

Dude, i had a ship sitting nose low int he water at a 45 degree angle. It looked like the titanic. I waited for hours and he wouldn't sink.

I surface and put two rounds into him and he sinks.

I had a ship like that steam off at 11kts with the propeller in the air and the whole thing on fire! My last convoy I had ships hit with multiple torps and they sailed off like nothing was wrong. Definitely need to fix this damage thing. I've been holding off on the overcharge torpedoes thing, but maybe that's required??

As for not being able to get 100k ton, I'm in Dec '39 and have found 5 super large convoys (12+ ships each) and 4 of them were totally unguarded. There's plenty of traffic it seems, just need to actually be able to kill things

walsh2509 · 03-06-10, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunfighter

Put the torp under the hull magnetic setting, youll snap the boat like a twig with one shot if you do it right.

I know, I did this in other SH's but that apart , in those other SH games a single shot (not under the keel) would kill a ship or at least cripple it or slow it way down and then you could pick those off with you DG after the DD cover had gone.

03-06-10, 10:02 PM	#1
walsh2509 XO Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 410 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	100,000tns The mission to get 100,000 of the south coast of Ireland before , what is it Aug or whatever 1940 is more than a bit much. Apart from the travel and fuel used just to get on site ( I go the long way round) you would need to carry x 4 the amount of torps just to get half of that, I think the devs have turned down the true destructive power of torps. And that Super Ability you purchase with your renown points is to bring it back up to what it should be, Ive turned off the bars above the ships in fact map contacts and manual targetting are the only 2 I have not got I think my overall % is 70 odds. But one thing the bars above the ships showed you need 4 hits just to sink a 7,000tn Merchant. In SH3 and SH4+Uboat missions, I could sink bigger with 1 well placed torp, I found that if you hit a ship low or just under then you would sink or stop them dead in the water. I do think the default torps in SH5 are weaker , hence this buy a bigger bang. I was off the south of Ireland when I ran into this large convoy , I fired all my torps 1 missed all the others were hits , 1 7,000tn Merchant sunk. And that took 3 torps ( I spent some of my renown point on the torpedo mans ability * ) and instead of 4 torps it took 3. I hit another with 2 and another with 2 with 1 each those 8 were my last torps. 4 ships hit , 1 sunk = 3 torps , another hit with 2 and another 2 ships hit with 1 each. 1 down , the other 3 burning from bow to stern but just sailed on .. in SH4 Uboat add on , with 8 torps I would have put down about 6 ships, even if only 3 the other 3 would have been slowed down that they would have been left behind and I would put those down with my deck gun. I said that the start I was not going to buy the ability to make the torp have a bigger bang, that was until I started to play it and found out that Merchants I would have sunk or crippled with 1 torps take 4 to sink and anything less they just sail on as if nothing has happened. I might be wrong but as I said , I think the devs have turned down the power of the default torps and you only get them back to what they should be by gving renown ability to the guys in the torpedo room.

03-06-10, 10:08 PM	#2
Jeevz A-ganger Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	You have from September '39 to June '40 to do it (if you take it first), that should be plenty of time with the stock traffic. There are lots of convoys and they use shipping lanes so you can pick up a lot of tonnage patroling south of Ireland and west of the westernmost tip of England. A few convoy lanes come together right there and it's good hunting. __________________ Commence to Jigglin

03-06-10, 10:29 PM	#4
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I find the ship damage model to be surprisingly broken right now. Not completely broken, but it seems to follow an all-or-nothing logic. Either your torpedoes outright destroy or sink the ship, or it keeps sailing forward after 2, 3 torpedo hits. I've had very few instances of propulsion damage or partial flooding that substantially affected a ship. Something to be fixed soon hopefully. I know iambecomelife said he was already looking into remodeling/rebalancing ship damage a bit. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-06-10, 10:41 PM	#7
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Well, as far as I understand, all the damage model controls are mostly identical between SHIII/IV and V. So hopefully that's something that either patches or mods will bring to a more reasonable state soon. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-06-10, 10:24 PM	#3
Sunfighter A-ganger Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 78 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Put the torp under the hull magnetic setting, youll snap the boat like a twig with one shot if you do it right.

03-06-10, 10:37 PM	#5
remowilliams Loader Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 90 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	I thought this would be a bit much too, but then I ran into a nice big convoy without escorts and it was a field day to finish off the second half of the goal. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=497 I've seen ships take silly damage on occasion and keep going, but most I've hit require two torps max. The flooding aspect does seem rather suspect. The damage model looks really frustrating when there is a ship completely ablaze and half underwater and it keeps plowing along...