Very, very disappointed

Drifter · 03-03-10, 06:27 PM

I know this post won't be popular with many here, and I hate to say this, because I was so excited, but I feel the need to post my honest opinion. So here it goes:

I am very, very disappointed with SH5.

Performance is not acceptable, user interface is one of the worst I have ever seen in my life, game play is way too arcadish, walking around the inside of the U-boot gets old very quickly, half the crew are missing, I feel like I'm playing an rpg instead of a historical U-boat game, the game is extremely buggy and barely even half-finished in my opinion (no surprise there). And don't even get me started on that stupid DRM garbage. After messing around with the editors for a few hours, I can now say that most SH5 game play features and mechanics are probably still hard-coded, and cannot be changed through scripting. So we might as well forget about creating all those 'dream features' we were thinking about.

All the above is not to say that modders won't improve SH5. I'm sure they eventually will- to some extent. But compared to the initial release of SH3, SH5 is a big, big step backwards in my opinion. In the end, I'm really not sure modders will be able to save SH5. I should have listened to my gut instinct before buying, but I gave in to the hype and excitement, like most others here. Who knows, in a year or so, a heavily modded SH5 might be comparable to vanilla SH3- maybe.

I feel like a ripped-off beta tester. Shame on you Ubisoft for releasing this steaming heap.

ichso · 03-03-10, 06:31 PM

Suggestion @Neal: Two stickied threads: One for positive impressions, one for the negative ones. Seems reasonable looking at the amount of single threads going in only those two directions

Drifter · 03-03-10, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ichso

Suggestion @Neal: Two stickied threads: One for positive impressions, one for the negative ones. Seems reasonable looking at the amount of single threads going in only those two directions

Sounds good. And thanks for not flaming me for a having negative opinion of SH5.

CCIP · 03-03-10, 06:34 PM

I would say the opposite about SH3 and SH5 as far as their release state - imho SH3 was a lot worse and I'm still a lot more optimistic for this title, but I can undestand the frustration.

And I agree with the thread idea. It would help not skew the tone of the forum too much in either direction and help us deal with more specific points and other topics than "this game is great" vs. "this game is terrible".

Nordmann · 03-03-10, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Drifter

Sounds good. And thanks for not flaming me for a having negative opinion of SH5.

Yes, I was surprised actually, we've got a lot of Knights in shining armour on here, ready to jump on threads which aren't boot-kissing Ubi left, right and bloody centre. Perish the thought that the negative points might actually have a basis in reality!

michaelws · 03-03-10, 06:36 PM

You are not alone...but in good company. Many seem to share your opinion. I am one who has been spared because I object to the total online commitment...but that DRM thread has just been closed.

Drifter · 03-03-10, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelws

You are not alone...but in good company. Many seem to share your opinion. I am one who has been spared because I object to the total online commitment...but that DRM thread has just been closed.

Someone closed it? *sigh*

Nordmann · 03-03-10, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Drifter

Someone closed it? *sigh*

Indeed, apparently Neal took exception to several members discussing rumours of, how shall I put it, certain enterprising individuals making a mockery of the DRM, and it's apparent failure to prevent their efforts.

Mad_Mark · 03-03-10, 06:52 PM

As a player of all the previous Silent Hunter games and Hundreds of other games I wll say now that in nearly 30 years of gaming this has without doubt the worst user interface I have ever seen and I would not give this game more than 6 out of 10 for that alone . I have tried playing it for the past 3 hours and have not even remotely enjoyed this game.
I cannot get past the rubbish control system that some idiot decided this series now required!
And that rudder what the hell is that all about?
And a stupid Key mapping that requires shift and another key when there are plenty of spare keys that could be utalised better.
Please mod this game to death soon so I can get some sanity out of this game, but please don't use any Clear Sky reject Beta testers for Future Mods like they used to test in developement.

Heretic · 03-03-10, 06:39 PM

Sadly, Silent Hunters seem to always be born breech. Come back and give it another shot in 6 months. They do generally fix most of the biggest problems by then.

Drifter · 03-03-10, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heretic

Sadly, Silent Hunters seem to always be born breech. Come back and give it another shot in 6 months. They do generally fix most of the biggest problems by then.

I remember when SH3 was released it was very buggy and broken. But not nearly as bad as SH5. The game design itself is just plain bad too, especially the rpg-style crap. Who's idea was that? I feel like I'm playing a submarine version of Oblivion.

Sailor Steve · 03-03-10, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Drifter

Sounds good. And thanks for not flaming me for a having negative opinion of SH5.

But you didn't give a negative impression of the game - you gave an honest one. Most of the flaming I've seen so far it reserved for the posts that say "This game is crap!" without discussing it honestly.

As long as you're reasonable, you'd be foolish not to point out the bad parts.

CCIP · 03-03-10, 06:43 PM

I don't think there's a fanboy army here, either. There's a few crazies on both sides of this, sure (and I'd argue more on "this game sux!!1111" side, but I digress...) - but for the most part what you'll find here is guys with a vested interest in subsims succeeding and maybe even prospering. We all know that this is a game that's, shall we say, far from perfect. I just want to avoid a completely hopeless tone for now - it's still early days, there's still hope, and things are not completely bleak.

Otherwise, pointing out things wrong with the game is not only not taboo, but absolutely necessary at this point. We need Ubi to know what's wrong.

Drifter · 03-03-10, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But you didn't give a negative impression of the game - you gave an honest one. Most of the flaming I've seen so far it reserved for the posts that say "This game is crap!" without discussing it honestly.

As long as you're reasonable, you'd be foolish not to point out the bad parts.

Thanks. Like I said, I was as excited as anyone here. I don't want to see SH5 fail. But I still cannot believe how many steps backwards SH5 took compared to the previous versions. What were they thinking?

Noren · 03-03-10, 06:54 PM

It has issues, but now we hope it will be patched and possible to modify to a large degree. It was made to attract a larger crowd and one can argue that they succeeded in that regard.
The interface, point-upgrades to the crew, the cannon with a laserpointer and a map where you can click and change course in an instant (no compass!) all point to arcadeness. And the fact that there is'nt a comprehensive manual, the game is supposed to be intuitive! The game is also soled as in the adventure-genre - thats hilarious and sad at the same time.

Lets face it, simulation-fans are not the target customers in this edition of SH:5.

How can we get the devs/ubisoft to listen to us? Perhaps, only by mays of economics and it seems quite futile (how many of us 'nerds' are there?).

03-03-10, 06:27 PM	#1
Drifter Frogman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 308 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	Very, very disappointed I know this post won't be popular with many here, and I hate to say this, because I was so excited, but I feel the need to post my honest opinion. So here it goes: I am very, very disappointed with SH5. Performance is not acceptable, user interface is one of the worst I have ever seen in my life, game play is way too arcadish, walking around the inside of the U-boot gets old very quickly, half the crew are missing, I feel like I'm playing an rpg instead of a historical U-boat game, the game is extremely buggy and barely even half-finished in my opinion (no surprise there). And don't even get me started on that stupid DRM garbage. After messing around with the editors for a few hours, I can now say that most SH5 game play features and mechanics are probably still hard-coded, and cannot be changed through scripting. So we might as well forget about creating all those 'dream features' we were thinking about. All the above is not to say that modders won't improve SH5. I'm sure they eventually will- to some extent. But compared to the initial release of SH3, SH5 is a big, big step backwards in my opinion. In the end, I'm really not sure modders will be able to save SH5. I should have listened to my gut instinct before buying, but I gave in to the hype and excitement, like most others here. Who knows, in a year or so, a heavily modded SH5 might be comparable to vanilla SH3- maybe. I feel like a ripped-off beta tester. Shame on you Ubisoft for releasing this steaming heap.

03-03-10, 06:31 PM	#2
ichso Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Germany's oldest city alive Posts: 1,066 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	Suggestion @Neal: Two stickied threads: One for positive impressions, one for the negative ones. Seems reasonable looking at the amount of single threads going in only those two directions __________________ My Subskins: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164169

03-03-10, 06:34 PM	#4
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I would say the opposite about SH3 and SH5 as far as their release state - imho SH3 was a lot worse and I'm still a lot more optimistic for this title, but I can undestand the frustration. And I agree with the thread idea. It would help not skew the tone of the forum too much in either direction and help us deal with more specific points and other topics than "this game is great" vs. "this game is terrible". __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-03-10, 06:39 PM	#10
Heretic Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 617 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 2	Sadly, Silent Hunters seem to always be born breech. Come back and give it another shot in 6 months. They do generally fix most of the biggest problems by then. __________________ - heretic I enjoy drinking beer. MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 - Updated 22 March MightyFine Less Annoying Footsteps Crew AI Scripting Information

03-03-10, 06:43 PM	#13
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I don't think there's a fanboy army here, either. There's a few crazies on both sides of this, sure (and I'd argue more on "this game sux!!1111" side, but I digress...) - but for the most part what you'll find here is guys with a vested interest in subsims succeeding and maybe even prospering. We all know that this is a game that's, shall we say, far from perfect. I just want to avoid a completely hopeless tone for now - it's still early days, there's still hope, and things are not completely bleak. Otherwise, pointing out things wrong with the game is not only not taboo, but absolutely necessary at this point. We need Ubi to know what's wrong. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-03-10, 06:36 PM	#6
michaelws Seaman Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Kailua-Kona, Hawaii Posts: 38 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	You are not alone...but in good company. Many seem to share your opinion. I am one who has been spared because I object to the total online commitment...but that DRM thread has just been closed.

03-03-10, 06:52 PM	#9
Mad_Mark Sailor man Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 44 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	As a player of all the previous Silent Hunter games and Hundreds of other games I wll say now that in nearly 30 years of gaming this has without doubt the worst user interface I have ever seen and I would not give this game more than 6 out of 10 for that alone . I have tried playing it for the past 3 hours and have not even remotely enjoyed this game. I cannot get past the rubbish control system that some idiot decided this series now required! And that rudder what the hell is that all about? And a stupid Key mapping that requires shift and another key when there are plenty of spare keys that could be utalised better. Please mod this game to death soon so I can get some sanity out of this game, but please don't use any Clear Sky reject Beta testers for Future Mods like they used to test in developement.

03-03-10, 06:54 PM	#15
Noren 中国水兵 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 284 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It has issues, but now we hope it will be patched and possible to modify to a large degree. It was made to attract a larger crowd and one can argue that they succeeded in that regard. The interface, point-upgrades to the crew, the cannon with a laserpointer and a map where you can click and change course in an instant (no compass!) all point to arcadeness. And the fact that there is'nt a comprehensive manual, the game is supposed to be intuitive! The game is also soled as in the adventure-genre - thats hilarious and sad at the same time. Lets face it, simulation-fans are not the target customers in this edition of SH:5. How can we get the devs/ubisoft to listen to us? Perhaps, only by mays of economics and it seems quite futile (how many of us 'nerds' are there?).