Is the game ever harder than real life?

Torvald Von Mansee · 03-02-10, 10:28 PM

I was playing the SQ 7 mission. I thought I'd try precisely the same thing Kretschmer (sp?) pulled: surface in the middle of the convoy and start torpedoing. I did just this.

Now, I saw an interview w/Kretschmer where the implication was that he was running in and around the convoy on the surface w/out really being detected. However, this did NOT happen w/me. I was instantly detected and couldn't accomplish anything.

Any thoughts?

sharkbit · 03-02-10, 10:55 PM

It's been my experience as well with the game. A Kretschmer style attack is difficult, if not impossible. I've seen a way to tweek the AI sensors that may aid in that type of attack, but I haven't tried it yet after tweeking them.

I've seen threads where people have said they've done that sort of attack though, so maybe it is possible.

Falkirion · 03-02-10, 10:56 PM

What were the weather conditions you had at the time of the attack? Where were the escorts? What mods if any are you using?

BillCar · 03-02-10, 11:26 PM

I do Kretschmer-style attacks often enough. Run decks awash in rough weather, you'll be fine. I play 100% realism, GWX 3.0.

Threesixtyci · 03-02-10, 11:36 PM

The AI cheats, but within limits. For example, the game never has a problem detecting a sub from a merchant within a convoy, whether surfaced or not... Got no problem shooting through it's own sheep, either.

Although, living on such a small boat for months at a time with no real showers for anyone, is not something I'd ever what to experience or even want to imagine. Not to mention the moldy food, the lack of fresh air and the knowledge that you may be in that boat, forever.

Iranon · 03-03-10, 04:05 AM

Some things are unrealistically harsh on the player. When sneaking around on the surface and you are spotted, you tend to come under fire from *everything* within seconds.

Paul Riley · 03-03-10, 05:16 AM

Shame,because I would like to ravage a convoy from within myself,closest I ever got I think was about 2km from the convoy's flank and submerged (Aug 1942).

Torvald Von Mansee · 03-03-10, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Threesixtyci

Although, living on such a small boat for months at a time with no real showers for anyone, is not something I'd ever what to experience or even want to imagine. Not to mention the moldy food, the lack of fresh air and the knowledge that you may be in that boat, forever.

I guess most of the men who went out in the u-boats are still in them.

Torvald Von Mansee · 03-03-10, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BillCar

I do Kretschmer-style attacks often enough. Run decks awash in rough weather, you'll be fine. I play 100% realism, GWX 3.0.

Decks awash is 6 meters?

I keep forgetting to do that.

Panser · 03-03-10, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Decks awash is 6 meters?

I keep forgetting to do that.

Click your depth gauge to just under 8m. Eight or more will send your watch crew below.

Rhodes · 03-03-10, 01:22 PM

Before OLC mod and GWX 3.0, I never manage to get close enough for a sort of "Kretschmer" attack. Funny that my first time was in early 43, and manage to get with in 2k of the convoy and inside the escort screen! Flat sea, no moon, 0 knot wind, possibly no radar (?) in the escorts and/or green (?) crews!

Now, only during the first years of the war I can get close, possibly 1,5 km of the convoy before geting detect by a ship. Weather conditions and running with or without decks awash matters!

Torvald Von Mansee · 03-03-10, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Falkirion

What were the weather conditions you had at the time of the attack? Where were the escorts? What mods if any are you using?

I think it is actually a GWX mission in and of itself. That might be my problem, right there.

It was a pretty clear night, too. I don't know if that were historically accurate, though.

There didn't seem to be any kind of fog of war among the convoy, which I guess is another problem.

03-02-10, 10:28 PM	#1
Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,693 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Is the game ever harder than real life? I was playing the SQ 7 mission. I thought I'd try precisely the same thing Kretschmer (sp?) pulled: surface in the middle of the convoy and start torpedoing. I did just this. Now, I saw an interview w/Kretschmer where the implication was that he was running in and around the convoy on the surface w/out really being detected. However, this did NOT happen w/me. I was instantly detected and couldn't accomplish anything. Any thoughts? __________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

03-02-10, 10:55 PM	#2
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	It's been my experience as well with the game. A Kretschmer style attack is difficult, if not impossible. I've seen a way to tweek the AI sensors that may aid in that type of attack, but I haven't tried it yet after tweeking them. I've seen threads where people have said they've done that sort of attack though, so maybe it is possible. __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

03-02-10, 11:26 PM	#4
BillCar Engineer Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 203 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	I do Kretschmer-style attacks often enough. Run decks awash in rough weather, you'll be fine. I play 100% realism, GWX 3.0. __________________ SH3: 100% Realism, DID, GWX 3.0 + SH3 Commander 3.2 + HITMAN'S BETA GUI FOR GWX 3.0 (in a word: AMAZING) + FM Interiors + SH5 Water + Thomsen's Sound Pack 3.2 + BillCar's Sonar Ping http://tinyurl.com/billcarpingmod SH4: 100% Realism, DID, RFB / TMO1.9+RSRDC / OM+OMEGU.

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Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Shame,because I would like to ravage a convoy from within myself,closest I ever got I think was about 2km from the convoy's flank and submerged (Aug 1942). __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

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Rhodes Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Figueira da Foz, Portugal Posts: 4,519 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	Before OLC mod and GWX 3.0, I never manage to get close enough for a sort of "Kretschmer" attack. Funny that my first time was in early 43, and manage to get with in 2k of the convoy and inside the escort screen! Flat sea, no moon, 0 knot wind, possibly no radar (?) in the escorts and/or green (?) crews! Now, only during the first years of the war I can get close, possibly 1,5 km of the convoy before geting detect by a ship. Weather conditions and running with or without decks awash matters! __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16416646@N05/

03-02-10, 10:56 PM	#3
Falkirion Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne, AUS Posts: 1,043 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	What were the weather conditions you had at the time of the attack? Where were the escorts? What mods if any are you using?

03-02-10, 11:36 PM	#5
Threesixtyci Torpedoman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: CC, Texas Posts: 114 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	The AI cheats, but within limits. For example, the game never has a problem detecting a sub from a merchant within a convoy, whether surfaced or not... Got no problem shooting through it's own sheep, either. Although, living on such a small boat for months at a time with no real showers for anyone, is not something I'd ever what to experience or even want to imagine. Not to mention the moldy food, the lack of fresh air and the knowledge that you may be in that boat, forever.

03-03-10, 04:05 AM	#6
Iranon Loader Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 89 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Some things are unrealistically harsh on the player. When sneaking around on the surface and you are spotted, you tend to come under fire from everything within seconds.