why? das boot question

[fromhell]

last night watched once again, das boot, and my question is, when captain goes to attack destroyer he goes into conning tower,and users the periscope in there while calling out his commands, yet when i see video of uboats attacking etc the captain uses the periscope in the command room where the navigator is. why the difference?

because das boot isnt anything but a movie with unreal stufff in it to make pretty screen images.


thats why many serious sub simmers get upset when people keep holding das boot up as some realism guide when it isnt.


it does a better job then most sub movies but its still just a movie and not real

[fromhell]

but why have 2 periscope stations?

[IanC]

Originally Posted by fromhell

but why have 2 periscope stations?

2nd scope is the observation one.

Originally Posted by IanC

2nd scope is the observation one.

the observation scope gives you a better upward view so its often used to check for planes before surfacing

[fromhell]

so the video of uboat captains in the command room with periscope and attacking would be type IX, correct?

[IanC]

Das Boot does it right doesn't it? Type 7 had the attack scope in the tower.

[arnesw]

Originally Posted by Webster

because das boot isnt anything but a movie with unreal stufff in it to make pretty screen images.


thats why many serious sub simmers get upset when people keep holding das boot up as some realism guide when it isnt.


it does a better job then most sub movies but its still just a movie and not real

Yeah, that was a really useful answer. For the VIIC type sub that is portrayed in Das Boot, the captains attack station is in the conning tower. Did you read the book? I know it's got letters and stuff, but I'm sure you can make it if you try.

Real sub commanders I know commend the movie for being pretty accurate, but of course - what do they know as opposed to you - a serious sub simmer!

Originally Posted by arnesw

Yeah, that was a really useful answer. For the VIIC type sub that is portrayed in Das Boot, the captains attack station is in the conning tower. Did you read the book? I know it's got letters and stuff, but I'm sure you can make it if you try.

Real sub commanders I know commend the movie for being pretty accurate, but of course - what do they know as opposed to you - a serious sub simmer!

and you feel its perfectly fine to be rude to another member of this community, why?

[karamazovnew]

Das Boot is more accurate than the propaganda videos you've seen. To answer this part: "yet when i see video of uboats attacking etc the captain uses the periscope in the command room where the navigator is", you have to remember that the Conning tower is very crowded. During an attack, the cameraman would not have any room. Plus the standard procedure was to close the tower hatch and throw an oily rag at the cameraman if he bothered the crew during life and death situations

As to Webster's post, there have been many annoying questions (not like this one) about why some MODS didn't behave like some saw in Das Boot. That was annoying indeed and sparked fury against an otherwise superb movie.

[arnesw]

Originally Posted by Webster

and you feel its perfectly fine to be rude to another member of this community, why?

Because I read you original answer as rude and unhelpful. Although I see my reply was over the top, and I apologize.

[d@rk51d3]

Originally Posted by arnesw

Because I read you original answer as rude and unhelpful.

x2


Glad it's all sorted now though.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by Webster

and you feel its perfectly fine to be rude to another member of this community, why?

I dont think he was trying to be rude, just explaining that you were wrong. You decided to bash Das Boot when many people that served on subs at that time commend the movie for its accuracy.

[ichso]

Originally Posted by arnesw

Yeah, that was a really useful answer. For the VIIC type sub that is portrayed in Das Boot, the captains attack station is in the conning tower. Did you read the book? I know it's got letters and stuff, but I'm sure you can make it if you try.

Real sub commanders I know commend the movie for being pretty accurate, but of course - what do they know as opposed to you - a serious sub simmer!

Actually, Lothar Günther Buchheim (the author of Das Boot) said for himself that he wasn't really pleased with the movie. It is to much action focused , the crew is showing no real life discipline and respect for one another and things like that. Things that where included just for creating action and emotions in the movie that weren't in the book. (But that's just how movies work, I guess ).

There was a pretty long text about this. Maybe I can dig it up again and translate it to post it somewhere around here, if its not already known. Its pretty interesting, really,

[TH0R]

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Boot

Even though overwhelmed by the literally perfect technological accuracy of the film's set-design and port construction buildings, novel author Lothar-Günter Buchheim expressed great disappointment with Petersen's adaptation in a film review published in 1981, especially with Petersen's aesthetic vision for the film and the way the plot and the effects are, according to him, overdone and clichéd by the adaptation. As well he criticised the hysterical over-acting of the cast, which he called highly unrealistic, while acknowledging the cast's acting talent in general. Buchheim, after several attempts for an American adaptation had failed, had provided a script detailing his own narrative, cinematographical and photographical ideas as soon as Petersen was chosen as new director. It would have amounted in full to a complete 6-hour epic; however Petersen turned him down because at the time the producers were aiming for a 90-minute feature for international release. Ironically, today's Director's Cut of Das Boot amounts to over 200 minutes, and the complete TV version of the film to roughly 5 hours long.

Buchheim attacked specifically what he called Petersen's sacrificing of both realism and suspense in dialogue, narration, and photography for the sake of cheap dramatic thrills and action effects (for example, in reality one single exploding bolt of the boat's pressure hull would have been enough for the whole crew to worry about the U-boat being crushed by water pressure, while Petersen has several bolts loosening in various scenes).

Uttering deep concerns about the end result, Buchheim felt that unlike his clearly anti-war novel the adaptation was "another re-glorification and re-mystification" of the German WWII U-boat war, German heroism and nationalism. He called the film a cross between a "cheap, shallow American action flick" and a "contemporary German propaganda newsreel from World War II".