The United States of the Corporation

mookiemookie · 01-22-10, 11:03 AM

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The Supreme Court has given big business, unions and nonprofits more power to spend freely in federal elections, a major turnaround that threatens a century of government efforts to regulate the power of corporations to bankroll American politics.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/...sis/index.html

Regardless of your political affiliation, this is bad. Say hello to the Senator from WalMart, the Congressman from Humana, the Representative from Halliburton.

We are right and truly screwed.

AVGWarhawk · 01-22-10, 11:21 AM

I just love how the country is going....

SteamWake · 01-22-10, 11:27 AM

Its a victory for free speech.

Corperations are made up of what?? People...

The McCain Feingold bill was unconstitutional

mookiemookie · 01-22-10, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Its a victory for free speech.

Corperations are made up of what?? People...

The McCain Feingold bill was unconstitutional

Really? What corporation has your best interests at heart? What corporation places anything BUT the pursuit of profits above all else? Hint: not any successful one.

And free speech? Puh-leeze. To go with your premise, corporations have free speech rights like people. Except they're better than people, because you can't jail a corporation for not obeying the law in the search for profits. You can fine them, sure, but that's no big deal as corporations are flush with money and lawyers. So what they've done is turn YOU into a second class citizen.

Your free speech rights don't mean diddly when major corporations can buy and sell politicians at will. You think they're going to listen to what YOU have to say, when they're getting 99.9% of their campaign funding from a corporation?

Free speech? You think this is good for free speech? Let's take one of your heroes, Glenn Beck. Beck likes to inflame people against the government. When the government is a corporate-tocracy, how much dissent do you think they'll allow?

The founding fathers are rolling in their graves.

SteamWake · 01-22-10, 11:45 AM

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Now what part of 'shall make no laws' is misunderstood here?

mookiemookie · 01-22-10, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Now what part of 'shall make no laws' is misunderstood here?

When they wrote that, did it apply to corporations? In fact, the founding fathers specifically LIMITED corporations and their powers - they could be dissolved for breaking the law.

It wasn't until 1886 that corporate personhood was established. You think giving a corporation (which have all the characteristics of a sociopath) unfettered access to the halls of power is a good thing? Enjoy your chains of slavery.

I invite you to actually THINK THROUGH the repurcussions of what has happened, instead of parroting back whatever feces John Boehner spouted out about this. Truly think this through and come up with a reason why this is a good idea.

Ducimus · 01-22-10, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Its a victory for free speech.

Corperations are made up of what?? People...

Lead by the upper 1% who will F*ck over everyone else.

mookiemookie · 01-22-10, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Its a victory for free speech.

Corperations are made up of what?? People...

People already have their say as individuals. Now they get to have their say as individuals AND as part of a corporation. Their voice counts DOUBLE what yours and mine do?

August · 01-22-10, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

People already have their say as individuals. Now they get to have their say as individuals AND as part of a corporation. Their voice counts DOUBLE what yours and mine do?

Then you might as well disband the Democratic party, the ACLU, the NAACP, the AARP, Teamsters Union and any other organization that gives their members both an individual and a group say.

And you ignored it before but what's your take on Corporate owned news organizations like MSNBC? What makes them worthy of exemption from your corporate politicking ban?

mookiemookie · 01-23-10, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Then you might as well disband the Democratic party, the ACLU, the NAACP, the AARP, Teamsters Union and any other organization that gives their members both an individual and a group say.

And you ignored it before but what's your take on Corporate owned news organizations like MSNBC? What makes them worthy of exemption from your corporate politicking ban?

I don't believe news organizations should be exempt. I guess you forgot when I went off about the Tea Party Protests™ brought to you by Fox News™

Platapus · 01-22-10, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

People already have their say as individuals. Now they get to have their say as individuals AND as part of a corporation. Their voice counts DOUBLE what yours and mine do?

What precisely is this "counts double" that you mentioned.

The only count that .. well.. counts is the election and there is still one vote per person. No one is saying that corporations will be getting a vote.

Schroeder · 01-23-10, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

What precisely is this "counts double" that you mentioned.

The only count that .. well.. counts is the election and there is still one vote per person. No one is saying that corporations will be getting a vote.

If I understood it correctly then he fears that the companies will simply buy the elected guys and get their will this way, regardless who was voted.

Skybird · 01-22-10, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I just love how the country is going....

Not just your country. We all have booked a table for the insanity ball. There is no escape from the madness poisoning all of our world. Especially the West has lost it's marbles quite some time ago.

01-22-10, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Not just your country. We all have booked a table for the insanity ball. There is no escape from the madness poisoning all of our world. Especially the West has lost it's marbles quite some time ago.

Very true. It ain't just USA.

FIREWALL · 01-22-10, 01:24 PM

What corporation has your best interests at heart ?

To hear it around here.... UBISOFT. imho

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