RUM-139 VL-Asroc

[toonsis]

Are the Lockheed Martin (Loral) RUM-139 VL-Asroc on the real Perry Class Frigates ?

What a help they would be in this sim

[ASWnut101]

No, they are not carried on the FFG, nor have they ever been. And, since the Navy removed the Mk-13 launchers from all of the Perry FFGs, they no longer carry any type of missiles except what can be fired from the embarked helicopter.

I reckon that, if they did eventually carry ASROCs, they would be able to extend the frigate's ASW reach, but that's what they have the helicopter for anyway.

[toonsis]

I did some research ,your right, they really are all about the helo. Even the radar and sonar and not of high class. I suppose if you team a Perry with a Burke you get all you need

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

I reckon that, if they did eventually carry ASROCs, they would be able to extend the frigate's ASW reach, but that's what they have the helicopter for anyway.

The ASROC's get weapons on target alot faster than a helicopter though.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

The ASROC's get weapons on target alot faster than a helicopter though.

Yeah and as the the playable Udaloy shows, having 2 helo's + asroc's is a mighty deadly combination.
The frigate in comparison seems a little shall we say lightweight.

[toonsis]

I would use the asroc first and the helo second if I had the choice. I wish the designers had made it possible as a load out the same way the SH-60 was slightly changed for this sim

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Yeah and as the the playable Udaloy shows, having 2 helo's + asroc's is a mighty deadly combination.
The frigate in comparison seems a little shall we say lightweight.

Might be because the Udaloy is a DDG while the perry (used to be FFG) now can only really be classed as FF, i wouldnt even class it as a fast frigate anyway 29 knots when the british type 23 does 32knots? and has guided missiles.

Problems with the perry loosing the MK13 now is realistically it cant operate on its own in an area where there is the potential for air threats, with the SM2 gone it can only rely on CIWS and monouvering to remain alive and against a half decent air force it wouldnt last long to be honest.

The perry is a great ASW platform but if its going into a war zone would definatly need a burke for ASuW support.

If you notice the british type 22 and 23 all have sea wolf sea dart ect missiles for self defence which means they can in theory operate alone, however as used to great success in the falklands a type 22 would be teamed with a type 42 for maximum coverage both AAW ASuW and ASW.

As well as Udaloy is should work in pair with Udaloy-II or Sovremenny.
In view of absence it is enough effective SSM missile.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

The ASROC's get weapons on target alot faster than a helicopter though.

Not if that target is 75 nm away, say a snorting smoke boat detected in the 3rd CZ...

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Not if that target is 75 nm away, say a snorting smoke boat detected in the 3rd CZ...

Well if the helo is remote controlled from the frigate you're still hampered by the distance.
Any more than 20 nm and you lose control of the helo. So in this case you would have to use human controlled helicopters.
This is my only remaining pet peve with the frigate, the maximum radius you can project your helos is very small (20 nm and thats it). It should be way more extended, around 50-60 nm maybe to be effective in ASW operations.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Well if the helo is remote controlled from the frigate you're still hampered by the distance.
Any more than 20 nm and you lose control of the helo. So in this case you would have to use human controlled helicopters.
This is my only remaining pet peve with the frigate, the maximum radius you can project your helos is very small (20 nm and thats it). It should be way more extended, around 50-60 nm maybe to be effective in ASW operations.

All the more reason to play multi-player, otherwise the Seahawk is just a gloryfied DASH drone. But the remote link range limit is a LOS issue so unless someone shrinks the Earth noing is going to change.

[Malakie]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

No, they are not carried on the FFG, nor have they ever been. And, since the Navy removed the Mk-13 launchers from all of the Perry FFGs, they no longer carry any type of missiles except what can be fired from the embarked helicopter.

I reckon that, if they did eventually carry ASROCs, they would be able to extend the frigate's ASW reach, but that's what they have the helicopter for anyway.

The ASROC needs to be fixed in the game.. Since it has been a long while since I played DW, I am just learning about the new mods and whether things like this were done.. In the original game for example, ASROC flies to a flight level that is not even close to reality not to mention its payload drop height...

Spruances and CG's carried ASROC in launchers (I know because I was an STG-2 United States Navy (Sonar Technician Surface)). Perry class however were as good if not a bit better than Spruance for ASW due to the tail.. Spruance did not get a tail until later refits but instead relied on the SQS-53B and SQR-18 suite interconnected with initially two SeaSprite ASW birds and later the LAMPS birds.

ASROC though have a very short range, better than the tubes but still.... Had we launched in war time under 'certain' conditions, we would not have survived.... due to the 'configuration' of ASROC depending on the situation.

Malakie