How do you think it would be if...

Lt.Fillipidis · 12-17-09, 11:22 AM

...the Axis had won the war?

Im making this thread out of boredom cause i see the same threads getting bumped and bumped again. I've read the whole BALZ series already, if someone asks.

Well, i think it would be the end of communism and Germany (if not European Union as a whole) would probably be as USA is today when the reins would pass from Hitler to the next one.

*Its a giant topic this one, i know, but just xplain it in 2-3 lines.

David I · 12-17-09, 11:58 AM

Bad.

DavidI

FIREWALL · 12-17-09, 12:17 PM

If Roosevelt had died earlier in office and Japan hadn't attacked Pearl Harbor ?

Who knows. The world WOULD be a very different place.

IanC · 12-17-09, 12:34 PM

Wir würden wahrscheinlich wissen, Deutsch, das ist sicher.

Frank0001 · 12-17-09, 02:16 PM

I think it would be the end of ALL jews and gypsies, the likes of which Hitler hated.
I'm not too sure about Hitler's plans, if he even had them, for the world if/when he won the war. I'm thinking it wouldn't be too bad a place for non-jewish people?

Schroeder · 12-17-09, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank0001

I'm thinking it wouldn't be too bad a place for non-jewish people?

No opposition allowed, say a wrong word to the wrong person and you end up dead. Happened to a lot of people even before the war. No news from outside, take the NS news or don't take any at all. Think their way or don't think at all and don't try to disobey order. It's bad for your health you know.

I don't know, but that doesn't sound like a place where I would like to live.

Raptor1 · 12-17-09, 04:18 PM

Define 'won'.

If we're talking about Germany, it can range from anything to making separate peace and survivng as a state, to conquering Europe and Russia up to the A-A Line to complete world domination.

Similarly, while Germany could've lost, Japan might've won to some extent and vice-versa.

mookiemookie · 12-17-09, 04:48 PM

Dunno, but I'm reading Fatherland right now and it doesn't seem like it would be a fun place to be.

12-17-09, 05:26 PM

One should keep in mind that "The master race" was actualy slated to become the master's race. That ' makes a big difference. Not a good outcome for the german people.

Platapus · 12-17-09, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

...the Axis had won the war?

We would have all end up driving Japanese and German cars.

oh.....

German scientists would be key to building rockets to take man to the moon

oh....

The worlds electronics would be built in Japan

oh....

We did win that war right????

12-17-09, 11:02 PM

Platapus,

good points. It seems that many of the nations that lost ww2 (including Finland) were able to emerge quite well after the war whereas the winners stagnated a bit. Maybe the sanctions etc. served as a thing that spurred on the economies of the vanquished nations.

And if the Axis had won? It depends what kind of victory it would have been. I think they would've faced a pretty tough insurgency of a kind.

Lt.Fillipidis · 12-17-09, 11:13 PM

Platapus said it all!

Actually, USA declared war on the Axis. Given the offensive stance that USA held towards Japan before the war, it was bound to have retaliations.
(Plus, as far as i know, Australia informed USA about a Japanesse Task Force moving in the pacific towards Hawaii, at 4th of December 1941. 3 days before Pearl Harbor. Saw these things on Zeitgeist. Conspiracy theories etc but they won me, to be honest. Seem true.)
Anyways, lets not forget that the allies declared war to Germany after the invasion of Poland and not vice versa.

And to be absolutely honest, i would give it a try living in such world.
The world today goes from bad to worse, so there mustn't be much to loose.

In my personal, copyrighted and owned by me and myself only opinion.

August · 12-17-09, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

Platapus said it all!

Actually, USA declared war on the Axis. Given the offensive stance that USA held towards Japan before the war, it was bound to have retaliations.

What offensive stance towards Japan would that be? And for the record Germany and Italy declared war on the United States on December 11th 1941.

IanC · 12-18-09, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by August

What offensive stance towards Japan would that be?

I thought everybody knew about the economic squeeze the US put on Japan... here's one of many sources. http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930

edit: I just carefully read that article, I'm not sure I can fully agree with some of the authors wording or that "the leaders in Washington knew about the Pearl Harbour attack in advance"... but the general idea is there.

Maybe a better link: http://bellum.stanfordreview.org/?p=137

Raptor1 · 12-18-09, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

Platapus said it all!

Actually, USA declared war on the Axis. Given the offensive stance that USA held towards Japan before the war, it was bound to have retaliations.

You do realize that this so-called 'offensive' stance (I'm assuming you mean the oil embargo) is a direct consequence of Japan's invasion of China, right?

12-17-09, 11:22 AM	#1
Lt.Fillipidis Weps Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Veria, Greece Posts: 365 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	How do you think it would be if... ...the Axis had won the war? Im making this thread out of boredom cause i see the same threads getting bumped and bumped again. I've read the whole BALZ series already, if someone asks. Well, i think it would be the end of communism and Germany (if not European Union as a whole) would probably be as USA is today when the reins would pass from Hitler to the next one. *Its a giant topic this one, i know, but just xplain it in 2-3 lines.

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FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	If Roosevelt had died earlier in office and Japan hadn't attacked Pearl Harbor ? Who knows. The world WOULD be a very different place. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

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Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	One should keep in mind that "The master race" was actualy slated to become the master's race. That ' makes a big difference. Not a good outcome for the german people.

12-17-09, 11:02 PM	#11
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Platapus, good points. It seems that many of the nations that lost ww2 (including Finland) were able to emerge quite well after the war whereas the winners stagnated a bit. Maybe the sanctions etc. served as a thing that spurred on the economies of the vanquished nations. And if the Axis had won? It depends what kind of victory it would have been. I think they would've faced a pretty tough insurgency of a kind.

12-17-09, 11:13 PM	#12
Lt.Fillipidis Weps Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Veria, Greece Posts: 365 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Platapus said it all! Actually, USA declared war on the Axis. Given the offensive stance that USA held towards Japan before the war, it was bound to have retaliations. (Plus, as far as i know, Australia informed USA about a Japanesse Task Force moving in the pacific towards Hawaii, at 4th of December 1941. 3 days before Pearl Harbor. Saw these things on Zeitgeist. Conspiracy theories etc but they won me, to be honest. Seem true.) Anyways, lets not forget that the allies declared war to Germany after the invasion of Poland and not vice versa. And to be absolutely honest, i would give it a try living in such world. The world today goes from bad to worse, so there mustn't be much to loose. In my personal, copyrighted and owned by me and myself only opinion.