What is the more effective weapon?

Starforce2 · 11-17-09, 11:41 PM

I've seen a mod that makes a 50 cal available for the sub. I guess it was a glitch in stock or something, but I am curious, which is more effective in terms of stopping power on a given plane, the 50 cal, or the 20 mm?

Rockin Robbins · 11-18-09, 08:07 AM

Well, the 20mm is a much larger shell and was much more prevalent on submarines in an AA capacity. 50 cal was anti-personnel stuff. Very effective anti-personnel stuff!

Of course, the gotcha is that the modder can make the 20mm a better weapon against a carrier than the unmodified 5" deck gun if he wants (and I did

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Schroeder · 11-18-09, 08:20 AM

Yes, 20mm is more effective. Larger round and the option for HE rounds.

fred8615 · 11-18-09, 09:49 AM

Yes the 20mm is the more effective AA weapon. The 50 cal is more "realistic" as that's what subs were armed with at the beginning of the war. The 20mm didn't become the standard until later.

Ducimus · 11-18-09, 11:50 AM

The 50 cal model has some wierd things going on that nobody's ever been able to figure out. It won't elevate more then a few degrees. So About the only thing it's good for raking san pans. It is possible to get them into the game, in addition to existing armarment, and you'd be in historical parameters having them in, (fleet boats had alot of deck armarment in battle surface) but it's a ton of work, and you wouldn't be able to control the 50 cals, the AI could though.

fred8615 · 11-18-09, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

The 50 cal model has some wierd things going on that nobody's ever been able to figure out. It won't elevate more then a few degrees. So About the only thing it's good for raking san pans. It is possible to get them into the game, in addition to existing armarment, and you'd be in historical parameters having them in, (fleet boats had alot of deck armarment in battle surface) but it's a ton of work, and you wouldn't be able to control the 50 cals, the AI could though.

Actually that has been fixed. You get the full range of movement with the 50 cal in my mod, and the parameters are from another user who figured out how to fix it.

11-19-09, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Starforce2

I've seen a mod that makes a 50 cal available for the sub. I guess it was a glitch in stock or something, but I am curious, which is more effective in terms of stopping power on a given plane, the 50 cal, or the 20 mm?

i know they already gave you the answer but it helps to picture things in your mind if you think of the 50 cal in terms of its mm size.

at first when we think 50 cal we think, oh boy thats a big caliber bullet, but its really only a 12mm shell so yes thats big but next to the 20mm you get a better idea why they upgraded to the 20mm

11-17-09, 11:41 PM	#1
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11-18-09, 08:07 AM	#2
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Well, the 20mm is a much larger shell and was much more prevalent on submarines in an AA capacity. 50 cal was anti-personnel stuff. Very effective anti-personnel stuff! Of course, the gotcha is that the modder can make the 20mm a better weapon against a carrier than the unmodified 5" deck gun if he wants (and I did) __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

11-18-09, 08:20 AM	#3
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Yes, 20mm is more effective. Larger round and the option for HE rounds. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

11-18-09, 09:49 AM	#4
fred8615 Saint of the seas Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sorrento, Louisiana Posts: 1,320 Downloads: 265 Uploads: 127	Yes the 20mm is the more effective AA weapon. The 50 cal is more "realistic" as that's what subs were armed with at the beginning of the war. The 20mm didn't become the standard until later. __________________ Frederick J. Barnett Radio Stations & Music Captain's Desk Photos FJB Camera Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start Office links, Info Boxes, & 50 cal Crew Rank Fix Sub Class Info Real Subs SH4 Randomizer Sub Images Office Images Sub Pinups & Pics 24 Hour Clocks Office Posters Nav Map Make-Over Add-ons FJB Navigation Maps Office Window Chronographs Someone's got to take the responsibility if the job's going to get done! Do you think that's easy?! - Gregory Peck, The Guns of Navarone.

11-18-09, 11:50 AM	#5
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	The 50 cal model has some wierd things going on that nobody's ever been able to figure out. It won't elevate more then a few degrees. So About the only thing it's good for raking san pans. It is possible to get them into the game, in addition to existing armarment, and you'd be in historical parameters having them in, (fleet boats had alot of deck armarment in battle surface) but it's a ton of work, and you wouldn't be able to control the 50 cals, the AI could though.