Any Chance of Luftwaffe Support?

Bent Periscope · 04-29-09, 12:54 PM

When, where and how quickly can I expect to get Luftwaffe support.

Obviously this would depend on the year and my location.

For example, if I’m stationed on the West Coast of France in 1940, how far out of Brest or some other point of the map, might the Luftwaffe fly out and how long should it take them to get there.

If I run into a convoy, how long should I trail them before hoping to have some air support?

What can we expect for each year? What can we expect off France, Norway and in the Med. Sea? Is there anywhere else they might show up?

BP

nikbear · 04-29-09, 01:49 PM

From personal experience of Hermans fly boys you might just get some help near Norway when that all kicks off,anything else and you've got next to no chance,they are a waste of overated space,fat boys flying circus

Leg · 04-29-09, 02:17 PM

As far as I know you can expect air support from Italian ally and Herman's lads in the Mediterranean Sea, but also in the French zone, Norway..

Paul Riley · 04-29-09, 02:20 PM

I can give you a decent answer on when to expect events to happen based on your location etc,its really no different to calculating where ships,convoys etc will be at a certain time.I don't know the exact speed of German bombers at this time,but I am guessing they are around 200-250kts?.I'm not sure,but if we use that figure for this example that would be fine I reckon.
Say you are about 500km west of France.Bomber is moving at 200kts minimum.
200x1.8=360km.This is how much distance he covers in 1 hr.If you divide 360km by two you get distance for half hour,which is 180km.180+360= 540km.You would expect to see the bomber in about 1.5 hrs time,give or take any problems/events along the way.
I am not sure if this was any help,but it does give you an idea of when to expect your support to arrive.I would stick to using increments of 0.5 hrs,as any lower than this and the calculations can get too complicated.
Regarding range,someone correct me here but most bombers have a max range of about 2000 miles?which is about 3200km?So if you were on the fringe of his range,and using the previous formula you would expect sightings after about 8hrs,which is very unlikely as he will have turned back long before then.
Let me just say,I havent seen the LW once in my campaign,and I am almost at the end of 42

Jimbuna · 04-29-09, 03:54 PM

If yu are within visual range of a convoy and radio it's location the game will throw an imaginary dice to decide if assistance is forthcoming.....provided the nearest Luftwaffe base is within flying range of course.

Bent Periscope · 04-29-09, 04:07 PM

Are the Luftwaffe bases in set places or can I just use the coast of the occupied German areas?

Also, once you have contact, how often do you update? Does this draw the attention of any escorts?

Thanks,
BP

Sag75 · 04-29-09, 05:11 PM

I know you must be in sight of 3 ships at least to send a succesful message. In this event, you will read your sent message in radioroom (M) with convoy grid, speed, course and sighting hour. Expect an air support within 1-2 hours.. if you are in the cover range, of course!

There is a Condor base near Brest, with a 800km of radius (see campaign.mis files in Data/Campaign).

04-29-09, 12:54 PM	#1
Bent Periscope Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dry docks of Los Angeles, CA Posts: 250 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Any Chance of Luftwaffe Support? When, where and how quickly can I expect to get Luftwaffe support. Obviously this would depend on the year and my location. For example, if I’m stationed on the West Coast of France in 1940, how far out of Brest or some other point of the map, might the Luftwaffe fly out and how long should it take them to get there. If I run into a convoy, how long should I trail them before hoping to have some air support? What can we expect for each year? What can we expect off France, Norway and in the Med. Sea? Is there anywhere else they might show up? BP

04-29-09, 01:49 PM	#2
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	From personal experience of Hermans fly boys you might just get some help near Norway when that all kicks off,anything else and you've got next to no chance,they are a waste of overated space,fat boys flying circus __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal. Last edited by nikbear; 04-29-09 at 03:21 PM.

04-29-09, 02:20 PM	#4
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	I can give you a decent answer on when to expect events to happen based on your location etc,its really no different to calculating where ships,convoys etc will be at a certain time.I don't know the exact speed of German bombers at this time,but I am guessing they are around 200-250kts?.I'm not sure,but if we use that figure for this example that would be fine I reckon. Say you are about 500km west of France.Bomber is moving at 200kts minimum. 200x1.8=360km.This is how much distance he covers in 1 hr.If you divide 360km by two you get distance for half hour,which is 180km.180+360= 540km.You would expect to see the bomber in about 1.5 hrs time,give or take any problems/events along the way. I am not sure if this was any help,but it does give you an idea of when to expect your support to arrive.I would stick to using increments of 0.5 hrs,as any lower than this and the calculations can get too complicated. Regarding range,someone correct me here but most bombers have a max range of about 2000 miles?which is about 3200km?So if you were on the fringe of his range,and using the previous formula you would expect sightings after about 8hrs,which is very unlikely as he will have turned back long before then. Let me just say,I havent seen the LW once in my campaign,and I am almost at the end of 42 __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

04-29-09, 03:54 PM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,678 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	If yu are within visual range of a convoy and radio it's location the game will throw an imaginary dice to decide if assistance is forthcoming.....provided the nearest Luftwaffe base is within flying range of course. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-29-09, 05:11 PM	#7
Sag75 XO Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 424 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	I know you must be in sight of 3 ships at least to send a succesful message. In this event, you will read your sent message in radioroom (M) with convoy grid, speed, course and sighting hour. Expect an air support within 1-2 hours.. if you are in the cover range, of course! There is a Condor base near Brest, with a 800km of radius (see campaign.mis files in Data/Campaign). __________________ Betasom - XI Gruppo Sommergibili Atlantici http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php

04-29-09, 02:17 PM	#3
Leg Electrician's Mate Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 140 Downloads: 237 Uploads: 0	As far as I know you can expect air support from Italian ally and Herman's lads in the Mediterranean Sea, but also in the French zone, Norway..

04-29-09, 04:07 PM	#6
Bent Periscope Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dry docks of Los Angeles, CA Posts: 250 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Are the Luftwaffe bases in set places or can I just use the coast of the occupied German areas? Also, once you have contact, how often do you update? Does this draw the attention of any escorts? Thanks, BP