Contributing the the death of RTS games... BLAST YOU RELIC!!!!!!

CaptainHaplo · 04-20-09, 05:49 PM

Ok - RELIC has always been known for innovation. I would bet most of the gamers on here have enjoyed either the Dawn of War or Company of Heroes games, if not both.

However, Relic made a wrong turn in their RTS games when they decided to rework DOW 2 game into TTS games instead. It has its positives, but really the game is more about pretty graphics that it is strategy. Its really gotten MUCH more "shooter" style in gaming.

Now they went and did the same thing with COH: Tales of Valor. No base building. No strategic points. Resources are gained by blowing up your opponent.

UGH!

I am really ticked off here. Next thing you know the RTS games will be gone entirely.

I mean - one review even stated that in COH you can play being your tank - driving it and aiming and shooting. It went so far as to say you would often be "rushing to get a shot off and click a little to fast and miss" - I read that and was like WTH???

There are plenty of FPS games out there - stop killing GREAT games with lots of potential by remaking them into FPS remakes using an established series.

Whats next? SH5 - no wolfpacks, no enemy ships, no bridge view, no water even, but hey, you can run around and shoot stuff - just don't get an itchy mouse finger or you might miss whatever kind of baddie they put in!

*Yes, I know the devs for SH5 are more responsible, but really, this is getting ridiculous!

There is no real good RTS games out there hardly anymore - the latest ones are going the wrong way now - and Relic is "leading the way" to the RTS funeral. Blast it! *Just not with an itchy mouse finger - you might MISS!"*

stabiz · 04-20-09, 06:01 PM

I agree, but then again I got tired of CoH pretty fast, so I am not getting the sequel. Men of War is more to my liking.

kiwi_2005 · 04-20-09, 10:40 PM

Well DOW was trashed to bits with the series if it wasn't squad based then it would of been the same strategy as before with updated graphics & there's really not much else apart from adding rpg into it like WC 3 still a basebuilding but your heros role played - When Warcraft 3 came out i stopped playing it on the first mission when i realized this Hero class that lvled up with new moves. I thought it was the end of strategy games too I was so annoyed i remember emailing Blizzard support and ranting about the change! They had ruined my game.

4yrs went by before i went back and finally played WC3 & the expansion right through. Took me a long time to accept the changes Hero class with rpg elements thrown in how stupid of blizzard, i was so use to strictly good ole basebuilding, get that huge army out before the AI can and rush them

DOW has followed the squadbase I can't comment on the game but if it sucks & they listen to the fans then the next series will be a full blown stragty but it better have something new added to it otherwise only the diehard will be happy while everyone else will be writing up oh its just DOW 1 with better graphics the devs are just lazy.

ajrimmer42 · 04-21-09, 01:05 AM

meh, tbh unless I was playing C&C, I never really liked base building anyways. I think that's one of the reasons why I always prefered World in Conflict to CoH. But I see what you're getting at and I do agree that some games often get changed for the worst, rather than improvement. It is surprising that they changed CoH so much as it was pretty awesome to begin with. Never liked DoW so can't comment really.

Dowly · 04-21-09, 03:37 AM

Relic has the tendency to make a new style of gameplay, use it in few of it's games and then come with a new style. First was WH40k

oW, then came CoH which had exactly the same game mechanics, now the same seems to happen with DoW II & CoH:ToV.

04-21-09, 10:33 AM

Meh 90% of major game companies only care about graphics and bowing to people who like linear games and consoles.

Indie games are just better these days.

04-20-09, 05:49 PM	#1
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Contributing the the death of RTS games... BLAST YOU RELIC!!!!!! Ok - RELIC has always been known for innovation. I would bet most of the gamers on here have enjoyed either the Dawn of War or Company of Heroes games, if not both. However, Relic made a wrong turn in their RTS games when they decided to rework DOW 2 game into TTS games instead. It has its positives, but really the game is more about pretty graphics that it is strategy. Its really gotten MUCH more "shooter" style in gaming. Now they went and did the same thing with COH: Tales of Valor. No base building. No strategic points. Resources are gained by blowing up your opponent. UGH! I am really ticked off here. Next thing you know the RTS games will be gone entirely. I mean - one review even stated that in COH you can play being your tank - driving it and aiming and shooting. It went so far as to say you would often be "rushing to get a shot off and click a little to fast and miss" - I read that and was like WTH??? There are plenty of FPS games out there - stop killing GREAT games with lots of potential by remaking them into FPS remakes using an established series. Whats next? SH5 - no wolfpacks, no enemy ships, no bridge view, no water even, but hey, you can run around and shoot stuff - just don't get an itchy mouse finger or you might miss whatever kind of baddie they put in! Yes, I know the devs for SH5 are more responsible, but really, this is getting ridiculous! There is no real good RTS games out there hardly anymore - the latest ones are going the wrong way now - and Relic is "leading the way" to the RTS funeral. Blast it! Just not with an itchy mouse finger - you might MISS!"* __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

04-20-09, 06:01 PM	#2
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I agree, but then again I got tired of CoH pretty fast, so I am not getting the sequel. Men of War is more to my liking. __________________

04-20-09, 10:40 PM	#3
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Well DOW was trashed to bits with the series if it wasn't squad based then it would of been the same strategy as before with updated graphics & there's really not much else apart from adding rpg into it like WC 3 still a basebuilding but your heros role played - When Warcraft 3 came out i stopped playing it on the first mission when i realized this Hero class that lvled up with new moves. I thought it was the end of strategy games too I was so annoyed i remember emailing Blizzard support and ranting about the change! They had ruined my game. 4yrs went by before i went back and finally played WC3 & the expansion right through. Took me a long time to accept the changes Hero class with rpg elements thrown in how stupid of blizzard, i was so use to strictly good ole basebuilding, get that huge army out before the AI can and rush them DOW has followed the squadbase I can't comment on the game but if it sucks & they listen to the fans then the next series will be a full blown stragty but it better have something new added to it otherwise only the diehard will be happy while everyone else will be writing up oh its just DOW 1 with better graphics the devs are just lazy. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

04-21-09, 01:05 AM	#4
ajrimmer42 Royal Kinotropist Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 987 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	meh, tbh unless I was playing C&C, I never really liked base building anyways. I think that's one of the reasons why I always prefered World in Conflict to CoH. But I see what you're getting at and I do agree that some games often get changed for the worst, rather than improvement. It is surprising that they changed CoH so much as it was pretty awesome to begin with. Never liked DoW so can't comment really. __________________ Alex Don't judge a ship by the number of it's guns, but by the skill of it's crew.

04-21-09, 03:37 AM	#5
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,055 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Relic has the tendency to make a new style of gameplay, use it in few of it's games and then come with a new style. First was WH40koW, then came CoH which had exactly the same game mechanics, now the same seems to happen with DoW II & CoH:ToV.

04-21-09, 10:33 AM	#6
Rilder Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Meh 90% of major game companies only care about graphics and bowing to people who like linear games and consoles. Indie games are just better these days.