Man Reveals He Assisted Parents' Suicides 10 Years Ago

[SUBMAN1]

Since we are on medical topics today, what are people thoughts on assisted suicide?

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/sto...6801446&page=1

The Netherlands has already shown that assisted suicide is a slippery slope that has led to non-voluntary, what is is called, euthanasia? Maybe it should be called murder...

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[jeremy8529]

Whats that I smell?? Is that bait? With a..... hook in it?!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by jeremy8529

Whats that I smell?? Is that bait? With a..... hook in it?!

What makes you think that? I'm looking to see what people think about it.

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[Etienne]

Originally Posted by jeremy8529

Whats that I smell?? Is that bait? With a..... hook in it?!

Heh, it's Subman1 posting on subsim GT. It's not really trolling because, well, it's part of the landscape. Tehcnically speaking, he's just posting an article for discussion, but anyone who's been around these parts know that it will devolve into a no-hole-barred name calling fest, in which none of the party will ever come close to changing their mind. Here's an illustration:



The thing is, once in a blue moon, the thread will turn into an interesting discussion of the subject matter. So we kind of deal with the chaff just in case. A lot of people have just given up on the political threads around here.

Of course, most of them will Godwin out, or involve muslims somehow. It's kind of like watching a gory car accident - A threadwreck, if you will.

Welcome to GT.

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[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Etienne

Heh, it's Subman1 posting on subsim GT. It's not really trolling because, well, it's part of the landscape. Tehcnically speaking, he's just posting an article for discussion, but anyone who's been around these parts know that it will devolve into a no-hole-barred name calling fest, in which none of the party will ever come close to changing their mind. Here's an illustration:



The thing is, once in a blue moon, the thread will turn into an interesting discussion of the subject matter. So we kind of deal with the chaff just in case. A lot of people have just given up on the political threads around here.

Of course, most of them will Godwin out, or involve muslims somehow. It's kind of like watching a gory car accident - A threadwreck, if you will.

Welcome to GT.

I rarely get into the things you suggest, so your point being?

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[Morts]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I rarely get into the things you suggest, so your point being?

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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:.....yeah..umm..right

[Sailor Steve]

On the downside, your reputation comes from things like the murder comment, or the "...are all idiots" in the title of your other thread. It shows an willingness to stoop to name-calling and dismissal as opposed to actual discussion. As the old saying goes, "It's not what you say, it's how you say it."

I do have some thoughts on the subject, but after that beginning I think I'll keep them to myself.

[Etienne]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

The Netherlands has already shown that assisted suicide is a slippery slope that has led to non-voluntary, what is is called, euthanasia? Maybe it should be called murder...

Euthanasia "refers to the practice of ending a life in a painless manner" (Wiki).

Murder "is the unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought), and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide." (Same)

Suicide "is the intentional taking of one's own life." (Same. I'm lazy.)

There can't be such a thing as non-voluntary assisted suicide. It becomes either euthanasia, if legal (And really, is anyone advocating that on humans, except for some far fetched fring group?) or manslaughter / murder, depending on the legal context.

I don't really see how allowing someone to end their own life can directly lead to SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!

It shouldn't be easy, and it shouldn't be taken lightly. But it should be an option. Able people are free to end their own life at any time, after all.

[SUBMAN1]

You forgot the non-voluntary part. That is why I put in there 'murder'.

An example - man is deaf dumb and blind. Is it murder or euthanasia here if we end his pathetic life non-voluntarily?

Anyway, I was reading where the the assisted suicide has morphed into non-voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands. This is why I'm asking the question. It didn't start out in the Netherlands as euthanasia. It has morphed into it through the introduction of assisted suicide. Sounds like a major slippery slope to me. Say in 50 years that I can hardly walk? Is that going to happen to me? To my family? To my friends? To you? I want no part of this I would think.

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[Etienne]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You forgot the non-voluntary part. That is why I put in there 'murder'.

Originally Posted by Etienne

There can't be such a thing as non-voluntary assisted suicide. It becomes either euthanasia, if legal (And really, is anyone advocating that on humans, except for some far fetched fring group?) or manslaughter / murder, depending on the legal context.

And is this thread about non-voluntary euthanasia, or assisted suicide? Those are two entirely different things.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Etienne

And is this thread about non-voluntary euthanasia, or assisted suicide? Those are two entirely different things.

No it is not two different things. Holland started out as assisted suicide. Now they also perform euthanasia because it has become accepted. Read my above post. That is the problem here. That is why I started the thread. I don't like the idea of assisted suicide, but one does not need to participate in it. Euthanasia has crossed another line that is ten times as big. We can only look to Europe for our answers because they are father along with morally objectionable things than we are, and I have yet to see a case where the US of A followed Europes lead in this department and the same pitfalls didn't happen here as it did there. Maybe you have seen one where this is not the case? If so, I'd say that is a rarity.

This is why the thread. i want to see peoples thoughts on the subject. Euthanasia is part of that subject. It is next in line after assisted suicide takes its grip. Especially with the cheapness of life of an individual these days.

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