How "Dynamic" Is It?

jazzabilly · 03-02-09, 07:59 AM

I was wondering - when a ship is sunk, it's supposed to stay sunk, right?

I am currently running a career in Jan. '43, based at Brisbane. Back in October of '42, just before the Battle Of Santa Cruz, I intercepted a BIG TF and sank a Taiho Class CV. I was driving USS Sailfish at the time.

Now, in Jan. I am in USS Haddock and stalking another honkin' big party of Gentlemen from the competing firm and there are TWO big green carriers, as well as two Shokaku Class CV's. Does the game occasionally forget that you sank a ship when you get a new sub? Or are the Japanese employing film special effects crews that cunningly simulate a sinking, exploding CV with harmless pyrotechnics?

Dread Knot · 03-02-09, 08:37 AM

As far as I know the game doesn't take individual ships off the IJN roster when you sink them. You can sink all the ships in a Japanese class like the Kongos or the Shokakus. Doesn't matter. There will be more clones of the same waiting in the wings to be regenerated even on the same patrol.

tater · 03-02-09, 08:39 AM

No, it doesn't. So it's not really dynamic at all (campaign dynamism implies a host of things SH4 lacks, IMO).

tater

jazzabilly · 03-02-09, 09:26 AM

Oh, so the roster is set then, for each time period? I guess it's easier to clone them ad lib.

Somewhat lame though, don't you think? It would be annoying to see Hiryu's in '44, for example.

tater · 03-02-09, 09:35 AM

Two things.

One, any Hiryu seen after June '42 can be assumed to be the very similar Unryu class. Really, this applies to most ship types except Yamato. There are usually similar ships, and regardless, SH4 is missing IJN ships, so some would always be functioning as "stand-ins" for other ships.

Two, the stock campaign is awful, don't play it.

jazzabilly · 03-02-09, 09:57 AM

Ah, ok. I hadn't considered the "stand in" idea. Maybe they're more like "stunt doubles".

I don't play stock, only RSRDC. Does that make any difference?

03-02-09, 07:59 AM	#1
jazzabilly Planesman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 186 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	How "Dynamic" Is It? I was wondering - when a ship is sunk, it's supposed to stay sunk, right? I am currently running a career in Jan. '43, based at Brisbane. Back in October of '42, just before the Battle Of Santa Cruz, I intercepted a BIG TF and sank a Taiho Class CV. I was driving USS Sailfish at the time. Now, in Jan. I am in USS Haddock and stalking another honkin' big party of Gentlemen from the competing firm and there are TWO big green carriers, as well as two Shokaku Class CV's. Does the game occasionally forget that you sank a ship when you get a new sub? Or are the Japanese employing film special effects crews that cunningly simulate a sinking, exploding CV with harmless pyrotechnics? __________________ If it's a fair fight, then you didn't plan it properly. ====================================

03-02-09, 09:26 AM	#4
jazzabilly Planesman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 186 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Oh, so the roster is set then, for each time period? I guess it's easier to clone them ad lib. Somewhat lame though, don't you think? It would be annoying to see Hiryu's in '44, for example. __________________ If it's a fair fight, then you didn't plan it properly. ====================================

03-02-09, 09:57 AM	#6
jazzabilly Planesman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 186 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Ah, ok. I hadn't considered the "stand in" idea. Maybe they're more like "stunt doubles". I don't play stock, only RSRDC. Does that make any difference? __________________ If it's a fair fight, then you didn't plan it properly. ====================================

03-02-09, 08:37 AM	#2
Dread Knot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,288 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	As far as I know the game doesn't take individual ships off the IJN roster when you sink them. You can sink all the ships in a Japanese class like the Kongos or the Shokakus. Doesn't matter. There will be more clones of the same waiting in the wings to be regenerated even on the same patrol.

03-02-09, 08:39 AM	#3
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	No, it doesn't. So it's not really dynamic at all (campaign dynamism implies a host of things SH4 lacks, IMO). tater

03-02-09, 09:35 AM	#5
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Two things. One, any Hiryu seen after June '42 can be assumed to be the very similar Unryu class. Really, this applies to most ship types except Yamato. There are usually similar ships, and regardless, SH4 is missing IJN ships, so some would always be functioning as "stand-ins" for other ships. Two, the stock campaign is awful, don't play it.