Boehner: No One's Read the "Stimulus"

[Aramike]

A TRILLION DOLLARS, and Democrats can't be bothered to let the American public, or the members of Congress, read the the bill for the 48 hours THEY PROMISED!!!



Congratulations, Liberal America - these are the power-mad fools you put your faith in. At this rate, in four years our nation will be broke and we'll all be begging for another George Bush - except THAT may not even be legal anymore...

[Enigma]

[Aramike]

Typical Enigma, Mr. "I'm not a Democrat", to neither understand the value of the dollar, nor be outraged by the flat-out lies of the Democratic Party.

Didn't say the "End" was coming ... I said our nation will be broke. Too complex for you?

[Sea Demon]

Don't expect a Democrat drone to care or understand the consequences of any of this. They simply want to live comfortably in their false paradigms. Consequences or outcomes be damned.....

[SteamWake]

Guess you missed this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=148129

On the bright side the liberal extrimist own this bill lock stock and barrel so when the end does come there can only be one set of people to blame.

The house vote, which passed, did not recieve a single vote from the right side of the aisle.

[Zachstar]

Funny how when the tables are turned Repubs moan and complain just as loudly as the democrats did.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Aramike

A TRILLION DOLLARS, and Democrats can't be bothered to let the American public, or the members of Congress, read the the bill for the 48 hours THEY PROMISED!!!



Congratulations, Liberal America - these are the power-mad fools you put your faith in. At this rate, in four years our nation will be broke and we'll all be begging for another George Bush - except THAT may not even be legal anymore...

How dare you question authority you don't need to know otherwise they would have told you., did you ever think of that? No I suppose not. Just sit back and think positively all is well. Sheesh you must be republican if you think beyond what you are told, so sit down and shut-up you have nothing to fear.



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[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

How dare you question authority you don't need to know otherwise they would have told you., did you ever think of that? No I suppose not. Just sit back and think positively all is well. Sheesh you must be republican if you think beyond what you are told, so sit down and shut-up you have nothing to fear.

So true...

[Rockstar]

couldn't help it.

Makes absolutely no sense how anyone can promote this 'stimulus' when neither they nor the politicians have a clue what the heck they just voted on. Just toe the party line and don't think or, heaven forbid, question it.

SHEEP vote the party.

Another thing anyone ever notice with government nothing is ever solved but only perpetuated? Sides chosen, people divided, anyone know why that is?

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, one must understand these little pet projects have been sitting on their desks for the past two years. Most of the dems know what is in the bill because each got their earmark for the earmark they have been working on for a long time. Does this much spending on these projects seem like the right idea when you are conducting a war? Do we really need to know what a field mouse is doing in his habitat just outside San Fransico when men are fighting on the other side of the world? The republicans did not think so and these little pet projects sat until the authors of these hair brained projects could get approval. Now we what it is like when adults act like children in a candy store. They just smile and sign away billions of dollars with glee. Really, were is there a stimulus in this bill? Ok, 8 billion dollars to build a super train for Las Vegas to San Francisco. Total Reid project here. It will be no less than 5 years to make studies of what animal will be affect by the rail and what communities will have to go so to lay the rail, yadda, yadda. There is no immediate stimulus to this project much like the others. However, Reid got his little pet project that will transport more people to Vegas thus dumping more money into his state. It is all very simple, they are simply taking care of their state and making some brownie points in the next election. Washington is still Washington. Everyone will work with everyone as long as you agree with the ruling party. There is no HOPE for CHANGE. Now go support a lobbyist, Barry did not get rid of them either

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Another thing anyone ever notice with government nothing is ever solved but only perpetuated? Sides chosen, people divided, anyone know why that is?

Yeah, I've noticed it, and it drives me absolutely nuts. That's what happens when you invest too much power in a governing body.

Of course, we have a Constitution that was intended to prevent that, but the state has proven once again that it can manufacture ways around restrictions placed upon it, and this is no exception. Some of the boldest and most successful coups of democracy(and other types of government) in history were achieved by the exact same means we are looking at now; emergency legislation. I honestly don't believe that the Dems are trying to overthrow democracy (representative, in our case), but that is what they are doing. Add in a small dose of thinking that you know what is best for people and a little destruction of the currency and you've got a recipe for a full-fledged socialist state.

Of course, the legislative branch is radically divided on many issues because there is a power struggle going on. It's such common sense that it is hardly worth mentioning. Some legislators are, of course, corrupt, some are trying to earn votes from their district, and some, most, I think, really believe that they are helping, all historical evidence to the contrary.
I am filled with joy when I see them fighting, debating, and deadlocked, because that's the only time they aren't getting anything done, which translates into a few more precious moments of freedom before they legislate some of it away.

There are a lot of people who think that the only solution is to not give them any power to fight over. Take it away, as permanently as possible using Constitutional law and an ideology of individual liberty. I am one of them. If it were up to me, I'd include an amendment that restricts the Federal budget to a miniscule percentage of GNP and requires that the Government maintain profitability at all times. That would limit their power rather effectively, IMO, until they find a way around it.

The Founders tried to build a government that would have greaty difficulty in destroying the liberty that they fought to create, and they succeeded, for about 75 years, until the Civil War, when military might crushed states' rights. IMO, what we need is a groundswell of popular political activity that will sweep away the entrenched party system, and force our representatives to legislate themselves right back into Constitutional parameters, and then nail the lid on them extra-tight with a budget amendment. That should keep them in check for at least the better part of a century.
Problem is, I don't see that happening, because they offer free stuff to stupid people who don't read history books or understand economics. It's going to have to get really, really, bad before those people realize that they have been duped into selling their freedom for false promises. Maybe even "Soviet Union" bad, if they are cooked slowly enough.

That's my five dollars (two cents, adjusted for state-created inflation)

[Platapus]

In fairness we have to recognize that both sides have their pet projects and that both sides have pushed legislation through so quickly that it precludes a careful review.

Not saying it is right, for I believe it is not the right way to run a representative government. But to imply that only one side does this is also not right.

Neither party has clean hands.