Gas...no gas... gas... no gas

Skybird · 01-13-09, 07:47 AM

It is becoming increasingly ridiculous. After having signed a deal, the Ukraine does not obey its accepted obligation and refuses to open the transit valves for Russian gas to Europe, although Russia pumped gas into the pipes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7826142.stm

This after the amateurish display of incompetent negotiators of the EU finding it acceptable that after the Russian signature of a treaty the Ukraine added hand-written additions and then expected Russia to accept these with backward effect as well - hilarious by the Ukraine, dilletantic by the EU negotiators. OF COURSE Medwedew declared that manipulated draft immediately unvalid, and void - common sense commanded it. The Ukraine obviously thought that when Georgia got away with signing a different treaty from Sarkozy than the one Sarkozy let the russians sign, this trick would work for the Ukraine as well. And the EU was stupid enough to let it through in both cases. Untrustworthy idiots.

Also referring to radio news just minutes ago, it gives me the impression that they had set up a way to steal gas again when all transit routes would get under equal normal transit pressure, but that the Russians forsaw that and thus only feeded pipelines they considered to be safe and under monitor's observation. As a result monitor's access to critical keypoints in these transit lines have been rejected by the Ukraine.

Well, I never was a fan of Ukraine. Maybe Gazprom received PR damages (by demanding the Ukraine to do business by international standards and pay the same as everybody else - what is so wrong in that), but the Ukraine damaged it's trustworthiness and reputation much, much more. Also, the EU gives a miserable display. What else to expect - if you accepted a position of weakness and helplessness and tried to arrange yourself in a condition of vital dependance.

SteamWake · 01-13-09, 10:29 AM

XabbaRus · 01-13-09, 11:58 AM

I could give them some gas, I had a big curry for lunch.

GoldenRivet · 01-13-09, 02:13 PM

Oil/fuel is to the present day as Nuclear weapons were to the cold war.

its just one of those things that one nation or group of nations can hold over the head of another nation or group of nations.

The time for finding an energy source besides oil has long since passed us by

Diopos · 01-13-09, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Oil/fuel is to the present day as Nuclear weapons were to the cold war.

Nope. You pay to get oil/fuel. When they nuke you, it's free of charge!

asanovic7 · 01-14-09, 08:45 AM

Skybird..

I have to say something.. :rotfl:

Americans were playing with oil, filling their reserves while making sheiks rich.
Now Americans are in a crisis and therefore lowered the price of barrel. For what reasons, I don't know. Maybe to help their economy, maybe to keep its population happy, maybe to hurt the russians by making oil again the primary way of heating..
Maybe they jumpstarted that financial crisis themeselves. I AM SPEAKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT! NOT THE PEOPLE!

Now, Russians to counteract that play with gas, while using Ukraininians(PLEASE, don't think Ukraine fights with Russians :rotfl

to up the prices of gas while making eu beg for it. Russia IMO is like a big oil/gas firm these days..
Like I said before, eu is nothing more than a toy in the hands of russians and americans.. And what about other countries?

It is ping pong.
Last year we had big oil prices, now we have gas problems.. Every year a crisis.. Combined with financial(how about a credit?) we can expect insults, threats and whatever, like a big war..

The one thing you can count on, is that americans or russians don't feel that way, but that is natural. If I am ok, what do I care if I crap into my neighbours yard, let him come tell me if he can, but he is a cripple, I shot him in the head.. :rotfl: I am sorry, this is american forum, but it seems to me they don't know why are americans "not liked" in many parts of the world.. They think other people from around the world are just jealous.. :rotfl:No, other people hate your government..
I am sorry, I am just honest..

Like for instance, why does anyone feel safer having Israel running around killing people(every year one neighbour) with 200 nuclear bombs and in the same time, stopping Iran from having their own? Now, can someone answer me that? What is the difference? So that we have 5 countries petrified with fear, giving birth to tens of thousands people thinking only about killing some foreign idiot..
Hate can only bring hate.. This world today is filled with hate.. We sit in our chairs, write all this silly s..t on this advanced technology, f..k around with silly words, while right now in some part of the world, mother kisses her 15 year old son proud he is going to fight against some other people for what he prepared his whole life and knowing(that is the worst part) he will probably die the first second he tries to shoot..

Very nice..
That is the new world we are living today..

Now, skybird..
You can tell me I indulge my ego, you can tell me I am dumb and you can comment my way of writting a post and whatever you want to satisfy your hurt German ego("eu is a toy in russian and american hands"), but I would like that you skip all that(I appreaciate that and know that is true) and tell me if I said something stupid and your opinion on the situation(global, local). I really love to read your posts, it seems to me you know alot about it.. WITHOUT IRONY!

Cheers

TarJak · 01-15-09, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I could give them some gas, I had a big curry for lunch.

01-13-09, 07:47 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,615 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Gas...no gas... gas... no gas It is becoming increasingly ridiculous. After having signed a deal, the Ukraine does not obey its accepted obligation and refuses to open the transit valves for Russian gas to Europe, although Russia pumped gas into the pipes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7826142.stm This after the amateurish display of incompetent negotiators of the EU finding it acceptable that after the Russian signature of a treaty the Ukraine added hand-written additions and then expected Russia to accept these with backward effect as well - hilarious by the Ukraine, dilletantic by the EU negotiators. OF COURSE Medwedew declared that manipulated draft immediately unvalid, and void - common sense commanded it. The Ukraine obviously thought that when Georgia got away with signing a different treaty from Sarkozy than the one Sarkozy let the russians sign, this trick would work for the Ukraine as well. And the EU was stupid enough to let it through in both cases. Untrustworthy idiots. Also referring to radio news just minutes ago, it gives me the impression that they had set up a way to steal gas again when all transit routes would get under equal normal transit pressure, but that the Russians forsaw that and thus only feeded pipelines they considered to be safe and under monitor's observation. As a result monitor's access to critical keypoints in these transit lines have been rejected by the Ukraine. Well, I never was a fan of Ukraine. Maybe Gazprom received PR damages (by demanding the Ukraine to do business by international standards and pay the same as everybody else - what is so wrong in that), but the Ukraine damaged it's trustworthiness and reputation much, much more. Also, the EU gives a miserable display. What else to expect - if you accepted a position of weakness and helplessness and tried to arrange yourself in a condition of vital dependance. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 01-13-09 at 08:05 AM.

01-13-09, 11:58 AM	#3
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I could give them some gas, I had a big curry for lunch. __________________

01-13-09, 02:13 PM	#4
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Oil/fuel is to the present day as Nuclear weapons were to the cold war. its just one of those things that one nation or group of nations can hold over the head of another nation or group of nations. The time for finding an energy source besides oil has long since passed us by __________________

01-14-09, 08:45 AM	#6
asanovic7 Captain Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 516 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	argh Skybird.. I have to say something.. :rotfl: Americans were playing with oil, filling their reserves while making sheiks rich. Now Americans are in a crisis and therefore lowered the price of barrel. For what reasons, I don't know. Maybe to help their economy, maybe to keep its population happy, maybe to hurt the russians by making oil again the primary way of heating.. Maybe they jumpstarted that financial crisis themeselves. I AM SPEAKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT! NOT THE PEOPLE! Now, Russians to counteract that play with gas, while using Ukraininians(PLEASE, don't think Ukraine fights with Russians :rotfl to up the prices of gas while making eu beg for it. Russia IMO is like a big oil/gas firm these days.. Like I said before, eu is nothing more than a toy in the hands of russians and americans.. And what about other countries? It is ping pong. Last year we had big oil prices, now we have gas problems.. Every year a crisis.. Combined with financial(how about a credit?) we can expect insults, threats and whatever, like a big war.. The one thing you can count on, is that americans or russians don't feel that way, but that is natural. If I am ok, what do I care if I crap into my neighbours yard, let him come tell me if he can, but he is a cripple, I shot him in the head.. :rotfl: I am sorry, this is american forum, but it seems to me they don't know why are americans "not liked" in many parts of the world.. They think other people from around the world are just jealous.. :rotfl:No, other people hate your government.. I am sorry, I am just honest.. Like for instance, why does anyone feel safer having Israel running around killing people(every year one neighbour) with 200 nuclear bombs and in the same time, stopping Iran from having their own? Now, can someone answer me that? What is the difference? So that we have 5 countries petrified with fear, giving birth to tens of thousands people thinking only about killing some foreign idiot.. Hate can only bring hate.. This world today is filled with hate.. We sit in our chairs, write all this silly s..t on this advanced technology, f..k around with silly words, while right now in some part of the world, mother kisses her 15 year old son proud he is going to fight against some other people for what he prepared his whole life and knowing(that is the worst part) he will probably die the first second he tries to shoot.. Very nice.. That is the new world we are living today.. Now, skybird.. You can tell me I indulge my ego, you can tell me I am dumb and you can comment my way of writting a post and whatever you want to satisfy your hurt German ego("eu is a toy in russian and american hands"), but I would like that you skip all that(I appreaciate that and know that is true) and tell me if I said something stupid and your opinion on the situation(global, local). I really love to read your posts, it seems to me you know alot about it.. WITHOUT IRONY! Cheers

01-13-09, 10:29 AM	#2
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0