I Hate Connecticut Nazis

[Subnuts]

Over the past few months I've started seeing advertisements for white supremacist groups stapled to telephone poles all over my neighborhood. Typical Aryan Nation/ "Christian Identity"/Gods Chosen People/Skinhead bull****. Being an elitist liberal New Englander () I'm awfully confused about the racist sentiment that seems to have sprung up around here recently. Yeah, I know about freedom of speech and all, but I'm awfully tempted to just start ripping down the signs and trashing them. A couple of years ago, there was a couple at the Mansfield flea market selling Nazi memorabilia who had their booth adorned with Nazi flags, and everyone simply avoided them like they were lepers.

On a related note, why do so many white supremacists consider themselves Christians? As if a Nazi would accept a Middle Eastern Jew who loved and forgave everyone as their Lord and Savior.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

I'm awfully confused about the racist sentiment that seems to have sprung up around here recently. Yeah, I know about freedom of speech and all, but I'm awfully tempted to just start ripping down the signs and trashing them.

Go for it. These people should have no right to spread their hate speech and filth.

Originally Posted by Subnuts

A couple of years ago, there was a couple at the Mansfield flea market selling Nazi memorabilia who had their booth adorned with Nazi flags, and everyone simply avoided them like they were lepers.

If they come back, steal the artifacts, sell them on eBay or to a museum, donate the proceeds to a Jewish foundation.

[Captain Vlad]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Go for it. These people should have no right to spread their hate speech and filth.

Now now, first amendment and all that. They have the right to espouse any viewpoint they want.

Just like I have the right to point, laugh, and mock them.

[August]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

Over the past few months I've started seeing advertisements for white supremacist groups stapled to telephone poles all over my neighborhood. Typical Aryan Nation/ "Christian Identity"/Gods Chosen People/Skinhead bull****. Being an elitist liberal New Englander () I'm awfully confused about the racist sentiment that seems to have sprung up around here recently. Yeah, I know about freedom of speech and all, but I'm awfully tempted to just start ripping down the signs and trashing them. A couple of years ago, there was a couple at the Mansfield flea market selling Nazi memorabilia who had their booth adorned with Nazi flags, and everyone simply avoided them like they were lepers.

On a related note, why do so many white supremacists consider themselves Christians? As if a Nazi would accept a Middle Eastern Jew who loved and forgave everyone as their Lord and Savior.

Well this pluralist conservative New Englander completely agrees with you. I say we should go after all nazis like Patton in a bad mood.

[FIREWALL]

While I totally agree with you.

I'd be carefull you don't get caught by them.

Don't think for a instant that they won't beat the liveing daylights or worse out of you.

[richardphat]

Wow this kind of mentality is more important than i have ever estimated!

[subchaser12]

We are seeing a big surge in America amongst white sumprmacy groups because of Obama winning the election. The racist stuff went thru the roof as soon as Obama won.

[August]

Originally Posted by subchaser12

We are seeing a big surge in America amongst white sumprmacy groups because of Obama winning the election. The racist stuff went thru the roof as soon as Obama won.

Imagine right wing people being racist, I know it's hard to believe. :p

You're saying that left wing people aren't racist? I don't think you know what you're talking about, just flame baiting your way to a second banning.

[SandyCaesar]

This moderate Californian says to you guys. The skinhead groups were probably riled up by the election, and decided that for some reason more people would support their racist philosophies.

On a related note, why do so many white supremacists consider themselves Christians? As if a Nazi would accept a Middle Eastern Jew who loved and forgave everyone as their Lord and Savior.

Good point that applies to just about every religion out there.

[August]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

On a related note, why do so many white supremacists consider themselves Christians? As if a Nazi would accept a Middle Eastern Jew who loved and forgave everyone as their Lord and Savior.

They hate Catholics just as much as they do Jews.

[subchaser12]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

On a related note, why do so many white supremacists consider themselves Christians?

They are Christians, they don't "consider" themselves Christians. Granted they might be that gay cousin in the family no one wants to talk about, but they are in the Christian camp.

[August]

Originally Posted by subchaser12

They are Christians, they don't "consider" themselves Christians. Granted they might be that gay cousin in the family no one wants to talk about, but they are in the Christian camp.

Boy you are just filled with it today. Let me clue you in on something. A person that doesn't consider themselves to be a Christian is NOT a Christian.

Christianity is not related to race...

[subchaser12]

Originally Posted by August

Boy you are just filled with it today. Let me clue you in on something. A person that doesn't consider themselves to be a Christian is NOT a Christian.

Christianity is not related to race...

Why thank you August, I would be so lost without you. Now why don't you go read the last part of the OPs post so you know what I was responding about. It will make more sense. Then come attack me.

[August]

Originally Posted by subchaser12

Why thank you August, I would be so lost without you. Now why don't you go read the last part of the OPs post so you know what I was responding about. It will make more sense. Then come attack me.

I know what you were responding to. I responded to it myself and you still are talking nonsense, and that's not an attack, just the simple truth.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by subchaser12

They are Christians, they don't "consider" themselves Christians. Granted they might be that gay cousin in the family no one wants to talk about, but they are in the Christian camp.

Nazism and Christianity have as much to do with each other as Hitler and Jesus. You can'T follow both men'S teachings at the same time, you cannot preach racist supremacy and love for thy next like you love yourself at the same time. Thus, you cannot be a Christian Nazi or a Nazi Christian - that is a contradiction in itself.

Being a church member and being Nazi at the same time - that of course can be something different.

Originally Posted by Captain Vlad

Now now, first amendment and all that. They have the right to espouse any viewpoint they want.

Just like I have the right to point, laugh, and mock them.

Do Western constitutions allow to propagate their own destruction? If so, a major pillar of justification why to defend the state and it'S laws against threats, has fallen. I never believed in unlimited freedom, and I never believed in freedom as a general right. It is an ability that must be learned and trained. Limits to the freedom of speech are set by ethical considerations which - admitted - can be hard to define and agreed on, but the communal defense against self-destruction certainly is one such limit, as is the general principle that your freedom generally has to agree to not boost itself beyond the level where it starts to limit the freedom of others and claims more rights for itself than for the other's freedom - which in principle is nothing else but Kant's categorial imperative.

Also, the state's monopole on violence enters the discussion here.

( On behalf of the german constitution i can point poiut that it sets limits to what is allowed. You are not allowed to call for the destruction of the constitutional order, and every german is given the right to resist and oppose such attempts even with force and violence, if needed. )

So, while in general I agree on free speech, nevertheless the freedom of speech can be abused - and I do not see why this has to be tolerated as well. Unlimited freedoms lead to the ultimate absence of any rules at all. In such a situation, only one rules: the strongest. And that is what we call anarchy. The law of the strongest, and right of free speech, are two totally different things.

Allowing limits to free speech, has it's own risks. But accepting no limits to it, also has it's risk. Recent trends in Europe's cultural self-disbanding and denial of historic identity makes me preferring the first risk over the latter.