"McCain's defeat divides Republicans"

Skybird · 11-05-08, 12:49 PM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...588692,00.html

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But the Republicans have every reason to conduct a close self-examination. This election is more than a departure from the politics of George W. Bush. The usual promises of tax cuts and less government failed to score with voters this time around.
The Americans are sick of the Republican Party in its current state. And the Republicans don't know how to react to that.

AVGWarhawk · 11-05-08, 12:53 PM

I'm not sick of the Republican Party.

Sea Demon · 11-05-08, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm not sick of the Republican Party.

I'm not sick of the Republican Party either. I'm sick of the Republican Party that acts like the Democrats. Big government initiatives and wasteful spending coming from a Republican Party is what I'm sick of. Big government and waste is the job of the Democrat Party.

August · 11-05-08, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm not sick of the Republican Party.

I'm not sick of the Republican Party either. I'm sick of the Republican Party that acts like the Democrats. Big government initiatives and wasteful spending coming from a Republican Party is what I'm sick of. Big government and waste is the job of the Democrat Party.

Another direct hit on the ol' nail...

cj95 · 11-05-08, 03:50 PM

Amen to that.....

This election it was like....do I vote for the liberal white guy, or the liberal black guy.....

What difference did it make in the end?

JALU3 · 11-05-08, 09:09 PM

Not changing my party affiliation, although I have been upset with some of the policies of this present administration, but I am sure there are many many MANY more policies that I will be upset with in this upcoming administration.
We as conservatives, as Republicans, need to return to our conservative philosiphy roots.
We must respect the dignity of the office, while continues to disagree with the decisions of the inexperienced individual. We must fight for our country, and what we believe it.
It is not time to roll over like the Media did, it is time to hold our flag high, flying it upside down if you want to, and fight against those who would rather have us ruled by a caliphate.
There will be other elections, and we will win them.

Hang in there . . .

SUBMAN1 · 11-05-08, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cj95

Amen to that.....

This election it was like....do I vote for the liberal white guy, or the liberal black guy.....

What difference did it make in the end?

That about sums it up alright. Palin was the only thing that made me start liking McCain again.

-S

SteamWake · 11-05-08, 12:54 PM

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The Americans are sick of the Republican Party in its current state. And the Republicans don't know how to react to that

Indeed, they have been a sham for some time now.

Perhaps they had actually stood for coservative values instead of trying to apease the political correct crowd they may have been more sucessfull.

NealT · 11-05-08, 12:55 PM

Actually I am sick of politics as a whole...if that makes any sense...

Skybird · 11-05-08, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm not sick of the Republican Party.

The voice of free America has spoken!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll burn down under for that one...)

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Originally Posted by NealT

Actually I am sick of politics as a whole...if that makes any sense...

Oh, very much so.

AVGWarhawk · 11-05-08, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm not sick of the Republican Party.

The voice of free America has spoken!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll burn down under for that one...)

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Originally Posted by NealT

Actually I am sick of politics as a whole...if that makes any sense...

Oh, very much so.

No burning for number 1. I have not done poorly under the Republican party. I will leave it at that.

Number 2, as a whole, yes, I'm sick of politics.

JHuschke · 11-06-08, 10:20 PM

It is really sad that he has won. Only by blacks who voted for him because they were black and white girls voted for him because they thought he was cute. Pfft.

You vote for someone you want to be president because of what changes they want, not if they are cute or they have the same skin color as you.

Yet I look at the NRA card and see what changes he wants to make.
1. No right to use weapon for home defense
2. Need a "federal" license to own a weapon which you pay for monthly
3. 90 % of gun dealer stores shut down
4. Almost ban ALL hunting.
5. Ban the right to bear/own arms.

Not to mention 5 more, which I forgot that I saw on the NRA card.

JALU3 · 11-06-08, 10:53 PM

I was listening to the radio and something a caller said resonated with me. To paraphrase, 'it feels like we elected the popular basketball jock for student council president instead of the nerdy ROTC kid'.

Yes we say we as a party didn't run as conservative, because the party has been lead by slighty to the right moderates. Therefore, or voting base isn't as energetic. And to hell with the new Generation BS. I am a member of this new generation, growing up in the Reagan, G.H.W.B, and Clinton Administrations. I can say that there are many within my generation who are stantly conservative, even would call me a moderate. However, I don't think we get the media play that those on the other side of the aisle do, and thus because we are so easily molded by popular media, many who don't have a concrete understanding of their beliefs are glade to blindly follow what they are tolled as cool or hip.
My sister is one of them. One year my junior, she said that she didn't know anything about politics, or held any real policy positions without much forethought as to why. However, come election day she was jumping up and down for Obama because she voted for him provisionally in Nevada.

I think the problem is that the public, 52+% of it at least, saw the GOP as the party in power, "the man". Therefore, they blamed all that was negative on my party. Furthermore, everyone loves to bash on President Bush, who given all the circumstances didn't do half bad (certainly note the worst president so far, certainly not the best either). Give it four years, when the President Elect Obama promises go unfulfilled, how his weak foreign policy leads to instability in Iraq and Afghanistan, how his increased taxes causes many companies to force to lay off thousands of workers, and how his liberal immigration policies will cause the working classes wages to stagnat and deflate.

fatty · 11-06-08, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JHuschke

Yet I look at the NRA card and see what changes he wants to make.
1. No right to use weapon for home defense
2. Need a "federal" license to own a weapon which you pay for monthly
3. 90 % of gun dealer stores shut down
4. Almost ban ALL hunting.
5. Ban the right to bear/own arms.

Not to mention 5 more, which I forgot that I saw on the NRA card.

Not that I have any business involving myself in American politics, but have you ever thought to confirm these things independently, preferably from primary sources? You may find your view of the world will change when you stop being spoonfed with information filtered through a source with an obvious agenda.

Here's something to get you started: a (rather depressingly) brief article from Obama's platform on hunting and sports shooting

Konovalov · 11-07-08, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fatty

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Originally Posted by JHuschke

Yet I look at the NRA card and see what changes he wants to make.
1. No right to use weapon for home defense
2. Need a "federal" license to own a weapon which you pay for monthly
3. 90 % of gun dealer stores shut down
4. Almost ban ALL hunting.
5. Ban the right to bear/own arms.

Not to mention 5 more, which I forgot that I saw on the NRA card.

Not that I have any business involving myself in American politics, but have you ever thought to confirm these things independently, preferably from primary sources? You may find your view of the world will change when you stop being spoonfed with information filtered through a source with an obvious agenda.

Here's something to get you started: a (rather depressingly) brief article from Obama's platform on hunting and sports shooting

You mean like Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, otherwise known to his friends as Joe the plumber.

Good post by the way Fatty.

11-05-08, 12:53 PM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,254 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I'm not sick of the Republican Party. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

11-05-08, 09:09 PM	#6
JALU3 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: 11SMS 98896 10565 Posts: 756 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Not changing my party affiliation, although I have been upset with some of the policies of this present administration, but I am sure there are many many MANY more policies that I will be upset with in this upcoming administration. We as conservatives, as Republicans, need to return to our conservative philosiphy roots. We must respect the dignity of the office, while continues to disagree with the decisions of the inexperienced individual. We must fight for our country, and what we believe it. It is not time to roll over like the Media did, it is time to hold our flag high, flying it upside down if you want to, and fight against those who would rather have us ruled by a caliphate. There will be other elections, and we will win them. Hang in there . . . __________________ "The Federation needs men like you, doctor. Men of conscience. Men of principle. Men who can sleep at night... You're also the reason Section Thirty-one exists -- someone has to protect men like you from a universe that doesn't share your sense of right and wrong." -Sloan, Section Thirty-One Last edited by JALU3; 11-05-08 at 09:10 PM.

11-06-08, 10:20 PM	#12
JHuschke XO Join Date: May 2008 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 432 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	It is really sad that he has won. Only by blacks who voted for him because they were black and white girls voted for him because they thought he was cute. Pfft. You vote for someone you want to be president because of what changes they want, not if they are cute or they have the same skin color as you. Yet I look at the NRA card and see what changes he wants to make. 1. No right to use weapon for home defense 2. Need a "federal" license to own a weapon which you pay for monthly 3. 90 % of gun dealer stores shut down 4. Almost ban ALL hunting. 5. Ban the right to bear/own arms. Not to mention 5 more, which I forgot that I saw on the NRA card. Last edited by JHuschke; 11-06-08 at 10:22 PM.

11-06-08, 10:53 PM	#13
JALU3 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: 11SMS 98896 10565 Posts: 756 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I was listening to the radio and something a caller said resonated with me. To paraphrase, 'it feels like we elected the popular basketball jock for student council president instead of the nerdy ROTC kid'. Yes we say we as a party didn't run as conservative, because the party has been lead by slighty to the right moderates. Therefore, or voting base isn't as energetic. And to hell with the new Generation BS. I am a member of this new generation, growing up in the Reagan, G.H.W.B, and Clinton Administrations. I can say that there are many within my generation who are stantly conservative, even would call me a moderate. However, I don't think we get the media play that those on the other side of the aisle do, and thus because we are so easily molded by popular media, many who don't have a concrete understanding of their beliefs are glade to blindly follow what they are tolled as cool or hip. My sister is one of them. One year my junior, she said that she didn't know anything about politics, or held any real policy positions without much forethought as to why. However, come election day she was jumping up and down for Obama because she voted for him provisionally in Nevada. I think the problem is that the public, 52+% of it at least, saw the GOP as the party in power, "the man". Therefore, they blamed all that was negative on my party. Furthermore, everyone loves to bash on President Bush, who given all the circumstances didn't do half bad (certainly note the worst president so far, certainly not the best either). Give it four years, when the President Elect Obama promises go unfulfilled, how his weak foreign policy leads to instability in Iraq and Afghanistan, how his increased taxes causes many companies to force to lay off thousands of workers, and how his liberal immigration policies will cause the working classes wages to stagnat and deflate. __________________ "The Federation needs men like you, doctor. Men of conscience. Men of principle. Men who can sleep at night... You're also the reason Section Thirty-one exists -- someone has to protect men like you from a universe that doesn't share your sense of right and wrong." -Sloan, Section Thirty-One

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cj95 Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 258 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 0	Amen to that..... This election it was like....do I vote for the liberal white guy, or the liberal black guy..... What difference did it make in the end?

11-05-08, 12:55 PM	#9
NealT Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 2 Meters Below Jimbuna Posts: 1,060 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Actually I am sick of politics as a whole...if that makes any sense...