May I ask, What is wrong with the left coast???

1480 · 11-02-08, 11:48 PM

This sickens me to no end, why is the subject of sexuality brought up, other than a boy has a "weenus" and a girl has a "china", to 5-6 year olds? I'm leaving a link so you do not think I am rambling.

http://shavedlongcock.blogspot.com/2...dge-cards.html

Blacklight · 11-02-08, 11:59 PM

I have no problem with what that teacher did. It's no different than having the students sign a pledge card not to call someone the "n" word or other racial slurs. It's not meant to be a plege plege. The purpose was obviously to teach the kids not to be racist or sexist. This teacher was teaching tollerance. Any age is appropriate for that in my opinion as long as it's done well. It does no good to hide gays and lesbiens from kids as they are out there and they SHOULDN'T be hidden. This should NOT even be an issue.

1480 · 11-03-08, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Blacklight

I have no problem with what that teacher did. It's no different than having the students sign a pledge card not to call someone the "n" word or other racial slurs. It's not meant to be a plege plege. The purpose was obviously to teach the kids not to be racist or sexist. This teacher was teaching tollerance. Any age is appropriate for that in my opinion as long as it's done well. It does no good to hide gays and lesbiens from kids as they are out there and they SHOULDN'T be hidden. This should NOT even be an issue.

Again, I bring up the age issue. What age does a person discover sexuality??? Obviously, you have never had a child!

Stealth Hunter · 11-03-08, 12:46 AM

Since you know and have a child, tell us, at what age should a child be taught these things?

1480 · 11-03-08, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Since you know and have a child, tell us, at what age should a child be taught these things?

About non-NORMAL homo sapien physical relationships? NOT AT SCHOOL.

Blacklight · 11-03-08, 12:53 AM

Better they learn from school rather than some biggot or their biggoted peers teach them. This isn't an issue of teaching kids about sex. This is an issue of teaching the kids tollerance toward different social groups. This is no different than teaching them tollerance of blacks, whites, Muslems, Christians, etc...
Sex does not come into the equasion with what this teacher was trying to teach.
The only reason this is even causeing a problem for a segment of people is that they're biggoted and want to "shield" their youngsters from the "devil" of gays/lesbians. Kids need to learn tollerance at a young age. They're never too young to learn that.

Stealth Hunter · 11-03-08, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 1480

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Since you know and have a child, tell us, at what age should a child be taught these things?

About non-NORMAL homo sapien physical relationships? NOT AT SCHOOL.

Why the homophobia? I don't feel comfortable around gays, but I don't bash them or think they're evil or immoral. They have a right to love who they want to. "Inalienable Rights" (the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?) mean anything to anyone anymore?

nikimcbee · 11-03-08, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 1480

This sickens me to no end, why is the subject of sexuality brought up, other than a boy has a "weenus" and a girl has a "china", to 5-6 year olds? I'm leaving a link so you do not think I am rambling.

http://shavedlongcock.blogspot.com/2...dge-cards.html

Welcome to the leftcoast.

There is no shortage of weird ideas out here that get pushed on kids. The only thing i can think of, is that people around here are much less formal around here than the Midwest.

I agree with you though, these unprofessional teachers need to be driven out of the industry.

Frederf · 11-03-08, 02:13 AM

I see a lot of people reading something into this that really isn't there. I'm a 25 year old college graduate and recent participant of the California public school system. Kids in middle and high school call each other names all the time including "anti-LGBT" ones.

I see this as an attempt to achieve a preemptive strike against calling each other bad names for the purposes of keeping behavior under control. Not all actions of the school is "instruction" on the academic matter but rather a large portion of school actions are for the purposes of keeping kids behaving long to learn something and possibly not emotionally scar each other. This is the latter.

This is not "teaching kids to be gays and lesbians" this is "teaching kids not to call each other hurtful names." I can see nothing wrong with a school delivering a message of moral behavior. I'm sure some people condone being hurtful to people based on their sexual orientation to the east of me, but not on the ground under my feet.

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Let me pull out a good example of ignorance:

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Originally Posted by 1480

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Since you know and have a child, tell us, at what age should a child be taught these things?

About non-NORMAL homo sapien physical relationships? NOT AT SCHOOL.

This is where ignorant people do not understand the distinction between "instruction about X" and "teaching X." The job of a school is to educate the student about the subject matter. Human sociology in reference to sexual orientations is a perfectly valid academic topic if taught as such. "There are such people as homosexuals, this is what they are, what they do, their society and history" is certainly the place of a school to inform. Facts are never offensive.

While I'm a scientist and an atheist I think that teaching certain things in school like The Bible and Creationism is great, in history or social studies class where it belongs. For example The Bible is a very important book (as is religion) in the sense of human history and it would benefit any one, regardless of religion, to know about it.

Similarly I think you can teach Creationism (heck, what would that take, a week?) in school, just not in science class... because, it's not science. I can never understand why people get all up in arms wanting to teach creationism in science class. We don't teach Creationism in science class for the same reason we don't teach French literature in science class... BECAUSE THEY AREN'T MOTHERFLIPPIN' SICENCE!

CCIP · 11-03-08, 03:52 AM

I also don't see a problem with this. And this is no doubt a response to an actual problem. "Gay" and "fag" are the "cool" words to throw at people these days. These things spread like crazy around schools. Of course it should firstly be the parents' responsibility to keep this controlled, but I don't see why schools can't have some involvement in it, either. I know back when I was in school, I'd get a slap on the back of the head from parents and teachers alike if I went around throwing words like this.

I am opposed to promoting "LGBT lifestyle" in schools, but I really don't see why kids shouldn't be alerted to the fact that using these names in the playground is wrong. And you can't keep kids completely sheltered. If a word like this goes around schools - stop them, before it gets pretty much just fixed into their vocabulary.

Skybird · 11-03-08, 06:57 AM

did I get this right? This took place in a Kindergarten...?

I don't know how it is in America, but in Germany Kindergärten are filled with 2-5 year old.

CCIP · 11-03-08, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

did I get this right? This took place in a Kindergarten...?

I don't know how it is in America, but in Germany Kindergärten are filled with 2-5 year old.

5-year-olds it was.

You'd be surprised how many young kids I hear constantly calling each other "gay" around here, though.

Task Force · 11-03-08, 09:09 PM

In my honest opinion, I dont think that 4-6 year olds should do this. Honestly, most kids that age dont even know what those words meen. At that age they shouldnt even be thinking about any thing like that. They should be concentrating on getting them to be good students, and transitioning them to school. I remember back when I was in kindergarden, almost none of us knew about gays and same sex relationships. (most of us didnt even know all of are numbers and letters yet) To be honest with you, some of the teachers I had shouldnt even have been teaching, If I had kids I wouldnt want them teaching my children about this. They should be concentrating on math, writeing, reading, and teaching them to act like humans instead of wild animals. I have much more to say about disiplin, but thats not what this topics about.

(I hope I dont make anyone not like me, this is my honest opinion)

Blacklight · 11-03-08, 09:45 PM

The problem is that there are way too many parents out there who DON'T teach this. I'll reiterate. Kids are never too young to learn this lesson. The earlier either the parents or school starts teaching them about this stuff, the better. It's far easier to teach them young than waiting till they're older and set in their ways. This kind of teaching has no negative impact. If the kids are learning a positive thing, what's the problem ? This lesson was more about tollerance and behavior than anything else and I speak from past experience. A LOT of kids do NOT get this from home.
That lesson was not about teaching anything complicated about human relations. It was more a behavior control thing as said in the post above. They wouldn't teach it if they hadn't had a problem with it in the past.

Task Force · 11-03-08, 10:46 PM

Yea, I see what you meen, Now if they can get them to control the rest of there issues. Heres what happens.

Elementary school> kid is rude and makes fun of other kids, elementary school allows this to happen> Elementary school sends there slime over to middle school and they do nothing about it> high school gets these people, and dose little to nothing to them and sends them to the world to cause chaos and be worthless.

Trust me, Ive been putting up with this school stuff for 11 years, and I have been pushed around for all of those 11 years, now if they would have done something about this in elementary school then it would more than likely not be happening now to me and numerious other kids. So there is actualy some good that could come out of this.

But then again, it may not sink in. (go in one ear and out the other)

11-02-08, 11:48 PM	#1
1480 Lead Slinger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chitcago, Illinoise Posts: 1,442 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	May I ask, What is wrong with the left coast??? This sickens me to no end, why is the subject of sexuality brought up, other than a boy has a "weenus" and a girl has a "china", to 5-6 year olds? I'm leaving a link so you do not think I am rambling. http://shavedlongcock.blogspot.com/2...dge-cards.html __________________

11-02-08, 11:59 PM	#2
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	I have no problem with what that teacher did. It's no different than having the students sign a pledge card not to call someone the "n" word or other racial slurs. It's not meant to be a plege plege. The purpose was obviously to teach the kids not to be racist or sexist. This teacher was teaching tollerance. Any age is appropriate for that in my opinion as long as it's done well. It does no good to hide gays and lesbiens from kids as they are out there and they SHOULDN'T be hidden. This should NOT even be an issue. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"

11-03-08, 12:53 AM	#6
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	Better they learn from school rather than some biggot or their biggoted peers teach them. This isn't an issue of teaching kids about sex. This is an issue of teaching the kids tollerance toward different social groups. This is no different than teaching them tollerance of blacks, whites, Muslems, Christians, etc... Sex does not come into the equasion with what this teacher was trying to teach. The only reason this is even causeing a problem for a segment of people is that they're biggoted and want to "shield" their youngsters from the "devil" of gays/lesbians. Kids need to learn tollerance at a young age. They're never too young to learn that. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !" Last edited by Blacklight; 11-03-08 at 12:59 AM.

11-03-08, 03:52 AM	#10
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I also don't see a problem with this. And this is no doubt a response to an actual problem. "Gay" and "fag" are the "cool" words to throw at people these days. These things spread like crazy around schools. Of course it should firstly be the parents' responsibility to keep this controlled, but I don't see why schools can't have some involvement in it, either. I know back when I was in school, I'd get a slap on the back of the head from parents and teachers alike if I went around throwing words like this. I am opposed to promoting "LGBT lifestyle" in schools, but I really don't see why kids shouldn't be alerted to the fact that using these names in the playground is wrong. And you can't keep kids completely sheltered. If a word like this goes around schools - stop them, before it gets pretty much just fixed into their vocabulary. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart) Last edited by CCIP; 11-03-08 at 03:55 AM.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,669 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	did I get this right? This took place in a Kindergarten...? I don't know how it is in America, but in Germany Kindergärten are filled with 2-5 year old. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Since you know and have a child, tell us, at what age should a child be taught these things?

11-03-08, 09:09 PM	#13
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	In my honest opinion, I dont think that 4-6 year olds should do this. Honestly, most kids that age dont even know what those words meen. At that age they shouldnt even be thinking about any thing like that. They should be concentrating on getting them to be good students, and transitioning them to school. I remember back when I was in kindergarden, almost none of us knew about gays and same sex relationships. (most of us didnt even know all of are numbers and letters yet) To be honest with you, some of the teachers I had shouldnt even have been teaching, If I had kids I wouldnt want them teaching my children about this. They should be concentrating on math, writeing, reading, and teaching them to act like humans instead of wild animals. I have much more to say about disiplin, but thats not what this topics about. (I hope I dont make anyone not like me, this is my honest opinion) __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time" Last edited by Task Force; 11-03-08 at 09:33 PM.

11-03-08, 09:45 PM	#14
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	The problem is that there are way too many parents out there who DON'T teach this. I'll reiterate. Kids are never too young to learn this lesson. The earlier either the parents or school starts teaching them about this stuff, the better. It's far easier to teach them young than waiting till they're older and set in their ways. This kind of teaching has no negative impact. If the kids are learning a positive thing, what's the problem ? This lesson was more about tollerance and behavior than anything else and I speak from past experience. A LOT of kids do NOT get this from home. That lesson was not about teaching anything complicated about human relations. It was more a behavior control thing as said in the post above. They wouldn't teach it if they hadn't had a problem with it in the past. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"

11-03-08, 10:46 PM	#15
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Yea, I see what you meen, Now if they can get them to control the rest of there issues. Heres what happens. Elementary school> kid is rude and makes fun of other kids, elementary school allows this to happen> Elementary school sends there slime over to middle school and they do nothing about it> high school gets these people, and dose little to nothing to them and sends them to the world to cause chaos and be worthless. Trust me, Ive been putting up with this school stuff for 11 years, and I have been pushed around for all of those 11 years, now if they would have done something about this in elementary school then it would more than likely not be happening now to me and numerious other kids. So there is actualy some good that could come out of this. But then again, it may not sink in. (go in one ear and out the other) __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"