Why is this weapon on public sale?

Skybird · 07-31-08, 01:28 AM

These so-called WASP-knifes inject compressed air into the body the blade just had cut into. Originally, the idea is coming from anti-shark-sticks, and was meant as a tool of defense against attacking dangerous animals close by, namely sharks. It now is on public sale, as far as I know, and gets promoted as a hunting knife and self-defense weapon. Pardon? Anyone iditoic enough trying to chase bears with a knife in his hand should be forbidden to carry a weapon. and for self-defense you do not need this always lethal weapon - a normal knife would do very well. In Germany and Britain it is feared now that these things get shipped over the Atlantic.

I say they should stay were they come from - from the tip of anti-shark stick, long enough that you cannot carry them in your pockets and cannot hide them under your coat. I could imagine that divers would prefer detonating anti-shark-capsules anyway. Underwater it may prove to be difficult to get a knife through a huge shark's thick skin.

This weapon has nothing to look for on the shelves of public shops. I doubt it'S underwater-value. I even cannot see a purpose for them with special commandos and the military.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ms-organs.html

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"Weapons like this are absolutely disgraceful and there is no reason at all why people should be walking around the streets with them.
There should be high-profile operations and high-profile arrests against anybody caught with them."

100% agree.

Foxtrot · 07-31-08, 02:22 AM

best weapon to deal muggers scum. They cross their boundary, they deserve this treatment deep in their asses.

Zachstar · 07-31-08, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxtrot

best weapon to deal muggers scum. They cross their boundary, they deserve this treatment deep in their asses.

Um What? You promote murder and mob justice? Is this correct?

This is a murder weapon. You can't reasonably prove in a court of law that you used this to defend yourself when there is no chance this will not kill.

UnderseaLcpl · 07-31-08, 02:45 AM

I don't care if criminals have these things. I have a gun.

However skybird, I pity those who do not have weapons to defend themselves from air-knives or guns or rocks or flying elephants or whatever.

Let's make a little bet. You guys make these knife-whatevers illegal and then we'll see someone gets murdered by one anyway.

My point is; who cares if someone invents an air-knife or lethal bananna-launcher or whatever they want? You can't stop people from inventing them, you can't stop criminals from using them to commit crimes, and you can't make a reasonable argument for honest citizenry to be prohibited from having the same weapons as their assailants. Whether they are cruel weapons or not is irrelevant. The people whom your law against "WASP-knives" affects are the same people who would never murder someone with one. All you are doing is needlessly pecking away at personal freedom, and inhibiting an industry which could potentially produce jobs and tax revenue.

Just for arguments' sake, let's say your law does totally remove all WASPs from any kind of public or criminal arsenal. Now they kill each other with regular knives, swords, clubs, heavy objects, bare hands, or candlesticks in the dining room.

I totally do not understand this "weapon control" logic.

Skybird · 07-31-08, 03:11 AM

And I cannot understand how a person claiming the right for self defense - needs military equipment, machine guns or an assault rifle for that.

If this knife would not get produced, it would not be used, wether intentionally, nor by accident. A weapon that does not exist, could not fall into wrong hands, could not beocme an object of prestige at school, could not kill ba accident, and could not make some dumb people behave like idiots with testicles having wandered into their heads (not generalizing, but I have seen enough such imbiciles).

Isn't this circular logic? To claim one invents a weapon just becasue one needs a defense and has a right to defend against such weapons that just got invented?

This weapon is a killing tool, more than a normal knife, or a firearm. It is as uncompromised in it's killing intrention like a grenade. What for do ordinary citizens need this ...? And why the obession with some people to not just fight off and overthrow a criminal attacker, but to see him getting killed for sure - and making a loud mouth about it like Foxtrot just illustrated?

Another reason why I dislike fire-arms and such a knife is, they are so simple to use that every idiot can use them. It is too easy, but wielding a weapon should not be easy. the easier it is, the more bad will happen. and the more unsuited dumbheads will have weapons. And bang - you are lost in the circular logic I explained above.

JHuschke · 07-31-08, 03:14 AM

Since when did people start carrying machine guns on the street for self-defense?:hmm: What would be the purpose of that knife any way? Why would he want to freeze someones organs?

Skybird · 07-31-08, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by G00BER

Since when did people start carrying machine guns on the street for self-defense?:hmm: What would be the purpose of that knife any way? Why would he want to freeze someones organs?

We had enough weapon-threads in the past where such claims were made. Or hunting wild animals with Kalashnikows, etc. Well, i assume such minds also do not get irriated by criticism of dynamite fishing.

UnderseaLcpl · 07-31-08, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Isn't this circular logic? To claim one invents a weapon just becasue one needs a defense and has a right to defend against such weapons that just got invented?

Let me put it into a clearer perspective. Weapons ARE invented. Since the dawn of mankind they have been used to force people to do things they would not normally do. If all weapons disappeared I can assure you that I would invent some kind of a weapon and use it to subjugate everyone else. Eventually I would have to fight with other a$$holes like me. I might even use my weapon to make people like you fight those other guys with weapons so I don't have to.
It's just human nature. There is no eliminating the "weapon" factor. However, if YOU had a weapon as well, I would not attack you because I might lose. I would build a weapon better than yours so I could attack you if I wanted to. But then you see me building a better weapon and make an even better weapon.........blah blah blah

As far as your argument that weapons are to easy to use goes, so are cars. Millions of people worldwide are killed by automobiles and no one cares because no one wants to see them get banned since they rely on them. But for gun-haters it is easy to hate guns because the vast majority of them have never used one. Cars kill more people than guns, why don't we ban them? Clubs are also easy to use; swing at target's head with maximum force. Care to ban blunt objects?

I will make no argument against the fact that my gun (Walther P38) is for killing people who attack me or another person. Sometimes I shoot cans with it for fun.
The only thing that would stop me from using a grenade or a machine gun (if they were legal) is the potential for collateral damage. A crimninal would have no such objections, which is why I need a weapon to defend myslef.

If anything I would argue only for more training in the use of firearms so that we do not have as many accidental shootings.

How about we have a contest where I am armed with an illegal gun and am intent on killing you and stealing all your stuff and you are armed with anti-gun rhetoric.
I bet I can kill you and steal your stuff well before the police ever arrive to protect you.

As noble and theoretically noble the ban on any kind of weapon may be, reality says that you will regret not having said weapons.

Skybird · 07-31-08, 03:06 PM

Let me put it into a clearer perspective. Weapons ARE invented. Since the dawn of mankind they have been used to force people to do things they would not normally do. If all weapons disappeared I can assure you that I would invent some kind of a weapon and use it to subjugate everyone else. Eventually I would have to fight with other a$$holes like me.

Consider the other a$$hole owns a private plane. Is that your excuse to station stingers in your household? And if he is a farmer and own a bulldozer, do you field a Milan in your garden?

It's just human nature. There is no eliminating the "weapon" factor. However, if YOU had a weapon as well, I would not attack you because I might lose. I would build a weapon better than yours so I could attack you if I wanted to. But then you see me building a better weapon and make an even better weapon.........blah blah blah

I can'T see this weapon being any better. Only being more barbaric. certainly, there are cultural influences as well. People can learn not fo love violence and weapons. But my impression is, in american culture, medias and real life, both is cult - more cult than in any other western country.

As far as your argument that weapons are to easy to use goes, so are cars. Millions of people worldwide are killed by automobiles and no one cares because no one wants to see them get banned since they rely on them. But for gun-haters it is easy to hate guns because the vast majority of them have never used one. Cars kill more people than guns, why don't we ban them?

I don't know about you, but usually people board cars with the intention not to hit something. when you draw a weapon, that intention reverses to it's opposite. I knew that somebody would make the car compairson - it always pops up in discussions like this. Always, really. Telling by years of multiple-threads-long experience.

Clubs are also easy to use; swing at target's head with maximum force. Care to ban blunt objects?

If they carry a short chain with an iron ball with stings at the top, yes.

I will make no argument against the fact that my gun (Walther P38) is for killing people who attack me or another person. Sometimes I shoot cans with it for fun.

And sometimes you stab cushions for fun as well with this gas-knife?

The only thing that would stop me from using a grenade or a machine gun (if they were legal) is the potential for collateral damage. A crimninal would have no such objections, which is why I need a weapon to defend myslef.

Yes, maybe. But you do not need an army, nor military equipment for that. Three years ago I was attacked on open street by a maniac, with a knife. Former training (19 years) and old reflexes helped me to block that stab and suffer only a cut on the hip while taking him out immediately. and I had no weapon at all. The point is, that training went hand in hand with education and training of my character. It changed me. Going into a shop and buying a tool of death - every maniac can do thatcan do that. He wopuld be better served with such a training. consiedet the times of Mus

If anything I would argue only for more training in the use of firearms so that we do not have as many accidental shootings.

Okay, my father is sports shooter himself, air pistol precision shooting, and cal 38. I shot some rounds, but it is not my thing, mine was archery, and swords, and martial arts, and I was good at all. He learned theory for half a year before getting a license. and he does not need dumdum bullets, neither for sports, nor for self defense.

so, why is such a knife needed? and why does it need to hide behind ridiculous claims like being the ideal weapon for self defense against huge land predators?

How about we have a contest where I am armed with an illegal gun and am intent on killing you and stealing all your stuff and you are armed with anti-gun rhetoric.

I bet I can kill you and steal your stuff well before the police ever arrive to protect you.

Eventually if the situation favours your options. Else i would not be so sure of that.

As noble and theoretically noble the ban on any kind of weapon may be, reality says that you will regret not having said weapons.

Which does not answer the question: why such a barbaric knife? It even does not free you from the risk to close in to hand-combat range, which always is a risk. you can't even throw the thing, since oyu need to push a button to fire the gas. There is as much need for it than there is for cop-killer ammunition (those flechette rounds that penetrate protection jackets).

Platapus · 07-31-08, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Great. Just what we need. A farting knife.

07-31-08, 04:49 AM

I looked on their website but could not find charges for a refill on the gas cartridge. However given the cost of this knife it would be reasonable to suspect they are quite expensive, I wouldn't be surprised if it was 10 to 20 dollars for a single use cartridge. Meanwhile in America a box of 50 bullets is only $2.50. Clearly American criminals can operate their business very cheaply compared to UK criminals. You just can't afford to kill a guy when it's $20 a pop ya know. Now as an American I like to hear that type of news, it's nice to know there's at least one US industry that can compete favorable against foreign competition.

The Citizens of the UK may want to consider this carefully though. You have entertaining criminals like Guy Fawkes who are grand and noble and dared to dream big things. America has Charles Manson. Clearly Americans are a lower class of criminal than brits. Now as dashing as Guy Fawkes was keep in mind he failed. Manson didn't. Americans have an innate superiority in their ability at illegal actions. Besides how could England's criminals compete when it's a knife with one shot vs an American with more ammo in his car than was used during the entire US Revolutionary War. You guys would get your ever loving ass kicked by the yanks. Again. What you limeys have got to ask yourself is, do you want to lose your fine home grown criminal element in place of US thugs? Clearly the only sane response is no, you'd want to keep your own criminals and continue electing them to Parliament as usual. I mean honestly, Ted Kaczynski in the House of Commons? Sure the news would be amusing for a few days but after awhile it'd just get to be a tired old pathetic joke.

So I propose that the UK put a subsidy on the exploding gas knife industry. Any criminal who purchases one should get an automatic rebate from the government that is enough to cover at least 50 gas cartridges. This might seem excessive and expensive to some but really, it's a small price to pay to not watch your tradition of the football hooligans lifestyle replaced by some yank blasting rap and ranting about how George Bush hates black people.

joegrundman · 07-31-08, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by orwell

I looked on their website but could not find charges for a refill on the gas cartridge. However given the cost of this knife it would be reasonable to suspect they are quite expensive, I wouldn't be surprised if it was 10 to 20 dollars for a single use cartridge. Meanwhile in America a box of 50 bullets is only $2.50. Clearly American criminals can operate their business very cheaply compared to UK criminals. You just can't afford to kill a guy when it's $20 a pop ya know. Now as an American I like to hear that type of news, it's nice to know there's at least one US industry that can compete favorable against foreign competition.

The Citizens of the UK may want to consider this carefully though. You have entertaining criminals like Guy Fawkes who are grand and noble and dared to dream big things. America has Charles Manson. Clearly Americans are a lower class of criminal than brits. Now as dashing as Guy Fawkes was keep in mind he failed. Manson didn't. Americans have an innate superiority in their ability at illegal actions. Besides how could England's criminals compete when it's a knife with one shot vs an American with more ammo in his car than was used during the entire US Revolutionary War. You guys would get your ever loving ass kicked by the yanks. Again. What you limeys have got to ask yourself is, do you want to lose your fine home grown criminal element in place of US thugs? Clearly the only sane response is no, you'd want to keep your own criminals and continue electing them to Parliament as usual. I mean honestly, Ted Kaczynski in the House of Commons? Sure the news would be amusing for a few days but after awhile it'd just get to be a tired old pathetic joke.

So I propose that the UK put a subsidy on the exploding gas knife industry. Any criminal who purchases one should get an automatic rebate from the government that is enough to cover at least 50 gas cartridges. This might seem excessive and expensive to some but really, it's a small price to pay to not watch your tradition of the football hooligans lifestyle replaced by some yank blasting rap and ranting about how George Bush hates black people.

good grief, you just wasted at least 10 mins of your life writing this nonsense

UnderseaLcpl · 07-31-08, 05:24 AM

@ orwell---- What!? I started to kind of see your logic but then I lost it. Maybe a more "Barney-style" explanation?

@joegrundman--- Don't you think it a bit harsh to dismiss someone's views as "nonsense"? I didn't understand him either but maybe some clarification would help.

Tchocky · 07-31-08, 05:51 AM

I honestly thought orwells post was hilarious.

Oh, and the knife is called a WASP? Lol...

07-31-08, 02:22 AM	#2
Foxtrot Ensign Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 231 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	best weapon to deal muggers scum. They cross their boundary, they deserve this treatment deep in their asses. __________________ And when the plane got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant.

07-31-08, 02:45 AM	#4
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't care if criminals have these things. I have a gun. However skybird, I pity those who do not have weapons to defend themselves from air-knives or guns or rocks or flying elephants or whatever. Let's make a little bet. You guys make these knife-whatevers illegal and then we'll see someone gets murdered by one anyway. My point is; who cares if someone invents an air-knife or lethal bananna-launcher or whatever they want? You can't stop people from inventing them, you can't stop criminals from using them to commit crimes, and you can't make a reasonable argument for honest citizenry to be prohibited from having the same weapons as their assailants. Whether they are cruel weapons or not is irrelevant. The people whom your law against "WASP-knives" affects are the same people who would never murder someone with one. All you are doing is needlessly pecking away at personal freedom, and inhibiting an industry which could potentially produce jobs and tax revenue. Just for arguments' sake, let's say your law does totally remove all WASPs from any kind of public or criminal arsenal. Now they kill each other with regular knives, swords, clubs, heavy objects, bare hands, or candlesticks in the dining room. I totally do not understand this "weapon control" logic. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

07-31-08, 03:11 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,620 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And I cannot understand how a person claiming the right for self defense - needs military equipment, machine guns or an assault rifle for that. If this knife would not get produced, it would not be used, wether intentionally, nor by accident. A weapon that does not exist, could not fall into wrong hands, could not beocme an object of prestige at school, could not kill ba accident, and could not make some dumb people behave like idiots with testicles having wandered into their heads (not generalizing, but I have seen enough such imbiciles). Isn't this circular logic? To claim one invents a weapon just becasue one needs a defense and has a right to defend against such weapons that just got invented? This weapon is a killing tool, more than a normal knife, or a firearm. It is as uncompromised in it's killing intrention like a grenade. What for do ordinary citizens need this ...? And why the obession with some people to not just fight off and overthrow a criminal attacker, but to see him getting killed for sure - and making a loud mouth about it like Foxtrot just illustrated? Another reason why I dislike fire-arms and such a knife is, they are so simple to use that every idiot can use them. It is too easy, but wielding a weapon should not be easy. the easier it is, the more bad will happen. and the more unsuited dumbheads will have weapons. And bang - you are lost in the circular logic I explained above. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-31-08, 03:06 PM	#9
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,620 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Let me put it into a clearer perspective. Weapons ARE invented. Since the dawn of mankind they have been used to force people to do things they would not normally do. If all weapons disappeared I can assure you that I would invent some kind of a weapon and use it to subjugate everyone else. Eventually I would have to fight with other a$$holes like me. Consider the other a$$hole owns a private plane. Is that your excuse to station stingers in your household? And if he is a farmer and own a bulldozer, do you field a Milan in your garden? It's just human nature. There is no eliminating the "weapon" factor. However, if YOU had a weapon as well, I would not attack you because I might lose. I would build a weapon better than yours so I could attack you if I wanted to. But then you see me building a better weapon and make an even better weapon.........blah blah blah I can'T see this weapon being any better. Only being more barbaric. certainly, there are cultural influences as well. People can learn not fo love violence and weapons. But my impression is, in american culture, medias and real life, both is cult - more cult than in any other western country. As far as your argument that weapons are to easy to use goes, so are cars. Millions of people worldwide are killed by automobiles and no one cares because no one wants to see them get banned since they rely on them. But for gun-haters it is easy to hate guns because the vast majority of them have never used one. Cars kill more people than guns, why don't we ban them? I don't know about you, but usually people board cars with the intention not to hit something. when you draw a weapon, that intention reverses to it's opposite. I knew that somebody would make the car compairson - it always pops up in discussions like this. Always, really. Telling by years of multiple-threads-long experience. *Clubs are also easy to use; swing at target's head with maximum force. Care to ban blunt objects?* If they carry a short chain with an iron ball with stings at the top, yes. *I will make no argument against the fact that my gun (Walther P38) is for killing people who attack me or another person. Sometimes I shoot cans with it for fun.* And sometimes you stab cushions for fun as well with this gas-knife? The only thing that would stop me from using a grenade or a machine gun (if they were legal) is the potential for collateral damage. A crimninal would have no such objections, which is why I need a weapon to defend myslef. Yes, maybe. But you do not need an army, nor military equipment for that. Three years ago I was attacked on open street by a maniac, with a knife. Former training (19 years) and old reflexes helped me to block that stab and suffer only a cut on the hip while taking him out immediately. and I had no weapon at all. The point is, that training went hand in hand with education and training of my character. It changed me. Going into a shop and buying a tool of death - every maniac can do thatcan do that. He wopuld be better served with such a training. consiedet the times of Mus *If anything I would argue only for more training in the use of firearms so that we do not have as many accidental shootings.* Okay, my father is sports shooter himself, air pistol precision shooting, and cal 38. I shot some rounds, but it is not my thing, mine was archery, and swords, and martial arts, and I was good at all. He learned theory for half a year before getting a license. and he does not need dumdum bullets, neither for sports, nor for self defense. so, why is such a knife needed? and why does it need to hide behind ridiculous claims like being the ideal weapon for self defense against huge land predators? *How about we have a contest where I am armed with an illegal gun and am intent on killing you and stealing all your stuff and you are armed with anti-gun rhetoric.* *I bet I can kill you and steal your stuff well before the police ever arrive to protect you.* Eventually if the situation favours your options. Else i would not be so sure of that. *As noble and theoretically noble the ban on any kind of weapon may be, reality says that you will regret not having said weapons.* Which does not answer the question: why such a barbaric knife? It even does not free you from the risk to close in to hand-combat range, which always is a risk. you can't even throw the thing, since oyu need to push a button to fire the gas. There is as much need for it than there is for cop-killer ammunition (those flechette rounds that penetrate protection jackets). __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-31-08, 05:24 AM	#13
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	@ orwell---- What!? I started to kind of see your logic but then I lost it. Maybe a more "Barney-style" explanation? @joegrundman--- Don't you think it a bit harsh to dismiss someone's views as "nonsense"? I didn't understand him either but maybe some clarification would help. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

07-31-08, 03:14 AM	#6
JHuschke XO Join Date: May 2008 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 432 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Since when did people start carrying machine guns on the street for self-defense?:hmm: What would be the purpose of that knife any way? Why would he want to freeze someones organs?

07-31-08, 04:49 AM	#11
orwell Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I looked on their website but could not find charges for a refill on the gas cartridge. However given the cost of this knife it would be reasonable to suspect they are quite expensive, I wouldn't be surprised if it was 10 to 20 dollars for a single use cartridge. Meanwhile in America a box of 50 bullets is only $2.50. Clearly American criminals can operate their business very cheaply compared to UK criminals. You just can't afford to kill a guy when it's $20 a pop ya know. Now as an American I like to hear that type of news, it's nice to know there's at least one US industry that can compete favorable against foreign competition. The Citizens of the UK may want to consider this carefully though. You have entertaining criminals like Guy Fawkes who are grand and noble and dared to dream big things. America has Charles Manson. Clearly Americans are a lower class of criminal than brits. Now as dashing as Guy Fawkes was keep in mind he failed. Manson didn't. Americans have an innate superiority in their ability at illegal actions. Besides how could England's criminals compete when it's a knife with one shot vs an American with more ammo in his car than was used during the entire US Revolutionary War. You guys would get your ever loving ass kicked by the yanks. Again. What you limeys have got to ask yourself is, do you want to lose your fine home grown criminal element in place of US thugs? Clearly the only sane response is no, you'd want to keep your own criminals and continue electing them to Parliament as usual. I mean honestly, Ted Kaczynski in the House of Commons? Sure the news would be amusing for a few days but after awhile it'd just get to be a tired old pathetic joke. So I propose that the UK put a subsidy on the exploding gas knife industry. Any criminal who purchases one should get an automatic rebate from the government that is enough to cover at least 50 gas cartridges. This might seem excessive and expensive to some but really, it's a small price to pay to not watch your tradition of the football hooligans lifestyle replaced by some yank blasting rap and ranting about how George Bush hates black people.

07-31-08, 05:51 AM	#14
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I honestly thought orwells post was hilarious. Oh, and the knife is called a WASP? Lol... __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]