aw heck now that IS embarassing!!!!

ddiplock · 07-14-08, 01:36 AM

Started a new career from the start of the war. Took S-27 out to sea and after a month at sea things were good, two 5000 ton ships sunk and moving into position on a small convoy.

My engines were stopped so they couldn't hear me yet the lead destroyer opens up with his ASDIC and somehow knows exactly where I am. My scope was down too, so that wasn't giving my position away. Despite the fact i was just sitting in the water, rigged for silent running, and no engines even running, he knew I was there.

I dove down deep below the thermal and took the boat beyond the 200ft test depth. They lost contact with me for some 10 or 15 minutes but then somehow picked me up on ASDIC again. Despite this, I couldn't shake them after that. I played cat and mouse for 30 minutes, taking the boat even deeper down to some 320ft before the hull started weakening. Back up at 300ft, and 20 minutes later with the DD's still pinging and slinging, the hull weakend and the boat was crushed.

That was a first patrol, and those DD's were impossible to get rid of. It was like fighting against the british in 1944 in SH3.

S-27 sunk on January 8th 1942 after a month at sea, all hands lost.

LeeVanSpliff · 07-14-08, 05:46 AM

Still a good deal more glorious than my worst SH4 career!

Anyway I often get the feeling that the DDs are going for me when they sweep the area ahead of a convoy ... I don't think they are though as they sometimes turn around right before getting close enough to detect me. Actually I've been missing some dedicated destroyer captains in SH4 - the English just seemed to put more back into it in SH3 imo!

Seminole · 07-14-08, 07:57 AM

I can beat that...if "beat" is the proper word to use...first time I ever left Manila at warp speed I collided with something...a chunk of rock...a ship.. who knows? I felt very very foolish indeed.

Especially so... considering my vast experience, stature and standing in subsim history...

You at least have the consolation of departing under honorable wartime circumstances...

...nobody has ever been able to court lady luck for very long....and always win her favor....

Sailor Steve · 07-14-08, 08:24 AM

My computer still makes it very hard to play SH4, but as I just recently noted in a similar SH3 thread I once got too close to a merchant, and when it blew up it took me with it...in gunnery training school!

CollateralDamage · 07-15-08, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

My computer still makes it very hard to play SH4, but as I just recently noted in a similar SH3 thread I once got too close to a merchant, and when it blew up it took me with it...in gunnery training school!

I did this yesterday. One torpedo hit a merchant and it didn't want to sink. So I decided to deck gun it down to visit ol' Davy Jones. I was a tad bit too close I guess because when it blew up my crew informed me "damage here there and everywhere".

I was a bit !#%¤#!%&"# because I had sunk over 50,000 tons before this.

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Originally Posted by LeeVanSpliff

Exactly what happened to me! I rammed the front 2/3 of my sub onto land. To further my humiliation I was still close enough to the port to click the "dock" icon. I was imprisoned for the rest of the war

Done this also. Except I was not anywhere near a friendly port and managed to repair all the damages and get the sub running again. So I limped to the mission area, sunk one ship to complete the objectives and returned to home port. My superiors had hard time to believe my story that I had collided with an ice berg though. Dunno why.

raymond6751 · 07-15-08, 07:30 AM

I too have run aground and that was at high TC. Watch out for little islands that don't show up on the map until you are zoomed in.

Even though you may repair the damage and go on, keep in mind that your hull retains some damage and will crack easier until port repairs can be done.

Back to the topic of thread...I'd be interested to hear a learned discussion about the differences between the asw detection equipment among the nationalities. I am sure that all sonar and all asdic systems were not equals.

I usually go deep and zig zag away keeping at 5-10 degree turns. I've found the enemy has trouble zeroing in on a turning unit.

LeeVanSpliff · 07-14-08, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Seminole

first time I ever left Manila at warp speed I collided with something

Exactly what happened to me! I rammed the front 2/3 of my sub onto land. To further my humiliation I was still close enough to the port to click the "dock" icon. I was imprisoned for the rest of the war.

Quillan · 07-14-08, 09:00 AM

First, depending on your depth, you may have been visually spotted. The Pacific is rather clear, and (especially if you're playing TMO with Ducimus' evil changed) you might be seen while submerged. Also, if the weather was bad you may have partially broached, with your scopes or even the top of the conning tower coming out of the water.

Second, it seems to me that anytime you get within roughly 500 yards of an escort they just "know" there's an enemy sub around and start pinging.

ddiplock · 07-14-08, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quillan

First, depending on your depth, you may have been visually spotted. The Pacific is rather clear, and (especially if you're playing TMO with Ducimus' evil changed) you might be seen while submerged. Also, if the weather was bad you may have partially broached, with your scopes or even the top of the conning tower coming out of the water.

Second, it seems to me that anytime you get within roughly 500 yards of an escort they just "know" there's an enemy sub around and start pinging.

Well that's a total crapper. In the time i've had SH4, that was my FIRST encounter with a Japanese convoy, yeah it only had some 4 merchants in it, but it had destroyer escorts and such. I was really looking forward to scoring some tonnage and then diving deep, but, even diving deep below the thermal didn't help. I took that little S-class boat down to some 320ft before the hull started complaining really bad lol.

Kind of a shame, it goes to show that when it came to diving depths, the German Uboat was by far superior to their American counterparts. I mean, an American sub that can dive down to 300ft is only 90mtrs by german standards. German subs frequently went to depths of 200+ meters which is considerably deeper. But i remember someone telling me that German subs could dive deeper than their US counterparts because they were smaller and displaced less water or something. lol

cj95 · 07-14-08, 08:58 AM

I think I ran into that same chunk of rock my very first time out of Manilla....lol

[quote=Seminole]I can beat that...if "beat" is the proper word to use...first time I ever left Manila at warp speed I collided with something...a chunk of rock...a ship.. who knows? I felt very very foolish indeed.

Especially so... considering my vast experience, stature and standing in subsim history...

/quote]

07-14-08, 01:36 AM	#1
ddiplock Samurai Navy Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 552 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	aw heck now that IS embarassing!!!! Started a new career from the start of the war. Took S-27 out to sea and after a month at sea things were good, two 5000 ton ships sunk and moving into position on a small convoy. My engines were stopped so they couldn't hear me yet the lead destroyer opens up with his ASDIC and somehow knows exactly where I am. My scope was down too, so that wasn't giving my position away. Despite the fact i was just sitting in the water, rigged for silent running, and no engines even running, he knew I was there. I dove down deep below the thermal and took the boat beyond the 200ft test depth. They lost contact with me for some 10 or 15 minutes but then somehow picked me up on ASDIC again. Despite this, I couldn't shake them after that. I played cat and mouse for 30 minutes, taking the boat even deeper down to some 320ft before the hull started weakening. Back up at 300ft, and 20 minutes later with the DD's still pinging and slinging, the hull weakend and the boat was crushed. That was a first patrol, and those DD's were impossible to get rid of. It was like fighting against the british in 1944 in SH3. S-27 sunk on January 8th 1942 after a month at sea, all hands lost.

07-14-08, 05:46 AM	#2
LeeVanSpliff Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 127 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Still a good deal more glorious than my worst SH4 career! Anyway I often get the feeling that the DDs are going for me when they sweep the area ahead of a convoy ... I don't think they are though as they sometimes turn around right before getting close enough to detect me. Actually I've been missing some dedicated destroyer captains in SH4 - the English just seemed to put more back into it in SH3 imo! __________________ "I'll rant as well as thou." Hamlet, Act 5, Scene 1

07-14-08, 08:24 AM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	My computer still makes it very hard to play SH4, but as I just recently noted in a similar SH3 thread I once got too close to a merchant, and when it blew up it took me with it...in gunnery training school! __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-15-08, 07:30 AM	#6
raymond6751 Admirable Mike Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,338 Downloads: 421 Uploads: 0	running agaround I too have run aground and that was at high TC. Watch out for little islands that don't show up on the map until you are zoomed in. Even though you may repair the damage and go on, keep in mind that your hull retains some damage and will crack easier until port repairs can be done. Back to the topic of thread...I'd be interested to hear a learned discussion about the differences between the asw detection equipment among the nationalities. I am sure that all sonar and all asdic systems were not equals. I usually go deep and zig zag away keeping at 5-10 degree turns. I've found the enemy has trouble zeroing in on a turning unit. __________________ Game Designer: Close The Atlantic - World War Three https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...orld-war-three

07-14-08, 09:00 AM	#8
Quillan Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	First, depending on your depth, you may have been visually spotted. The Pacific is rather clear, and (especially if you're playing TMO with Ducimus' evil changed) you might be seen while submerged. Also, if the weather was bad you may have partially broached, with your scopes or even the top of the conning tower coming out of the water. Second, it seems to me that anytime you get within roughly 500 yards of an escort they just "know" there's an enemy sub around and start pinging. __________________ We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

07-14-08, 07:57 AM	#3
Seminole Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,012 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	I can beat that...if "beat" is the proper word to use...first time I ever left Manila at warp speed I collided with something...a chunk of rock...a ship.. who knows? I felt very very foolish indeed. Especially so... considering my vast experience, stature and standing in subsim history... You at least have the consolation of departing under honorable wartime circumstances... ...nobody has ever been able to court lady luck for very long....and always win her favor....

07-14-08, 08:58 AM	#10
cj95 Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 258 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 0	I think I ran into that same chunk of rock my very first time out of Manilla....lol [quote=Seminole]I can beat that...if "beat" is the proper word to use...first time I ever left Manila at warp speed I collided with something...a chunk of rock...a ship.. who knows? I felt very very foolish indeed. Especially so... considering my vast experience, stature and standing in subsim history... /quote]