only in the uk

clive bradbury · 06-27-08, 06:39 PM

The wrong lemonade

The UK legal system also seems to have lost any sense of proportion. Christopher Ratte, a professor of archaeology, recently tried to buy his seven-year-old son a bottle of lemonade at a cricket match. He was handed a bottle of Mike's Hard Lemonade, an alcoholic drink, by mistake. Officials noticed the boy sipping the drink and immediately whisked him off to hospital. He was fine. But the family was condemned to legal hell: the police at first put the seven-year-old into a foster home and a judge ruled that he could go home only if his father moved out. It took several days of legal wrangling to reunite the family.

Letum · 06-27-08, 07:31 PM

:rotfl:

Only in the UK?!
Cricket match?!

Where did you get this from?

This happed in America at a baseball game!

I wonder what the motive was for changing it to the UK...
Care to explain?

*edit* Original source here before it was doctored.

I think the UK and Europe's attitude to alcohol is a little more robust.

Sailor Steve · 06-27-08, 07:48 PM

Holy Indiana Jones, Bat-Letum; he's an archeology professor!

Thanks for posting that second link. Not to go too far off topic, but I've been thinking about that same loss of freedom lately. See, here (as probably with everywhere else) we have a property tax. If you don't pay your property tax they will take away your property (car, house, land). Funny thing is, the U.S. Constitution - I'm sure you've heard it mentioned once or twice here - says, right in the text "No man shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law." So, they put a tax on property and call it "due process". I call it a government-sanctioned protection racket. So why not a 'Liberty Tax?' "Give us money or go to jail"! 'Life Tax?' Sometimes I think the only reason they don't have those is that they know we wouldn't stand for it. Another bloody revolution.

But a 'Property Tax'? That we'll take lying down. It's just a little liberty.

Letum · 06-27-08, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

See, here (as probably with everywhere else) we have a property tax.

Not here!

There is a council tax if you have a house to pay for waste disposal and council run
services etc. and road tax if you use your car on roads, but nothing that I would call
"property tax".

Sailor Steve · 06-27-08, 07:57 PM

Well, here it isn't Federal. They get away with it mainly because it's done by the states (maybe not even all of them - I don't know).

But it still bugs me.

Letum · 06-27-08, 08:00 PM

I bet.
I'm a high-tax-high-spend chap, but I don't like the sound of property tax one bit.
Not as bad as poll tax / head tax perhaps.

Do you still have that in the US?
*edit* No, you don't.

*edit* Anyone one want to have a guess at the motive behind the UK/US Baseball/Cricket switch?

clive bradbury · 06-28-08, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

:rotfl:

Only in the UK?!
Cricket match?!

Where did you get this from?

This happed in America at a baseball game!

I wonder what the motive was for changing it to the UK...
Care to explain?

*edit* Original source here before it was doctored

I think the UK and Europe's attitude to alcohol is a little more robust.

A friend mailed it to me as a British thing - you're right - it does seem to be a US event.

STEED · 06-28-08, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by clive bradbury

The wrong lemonade

The UK legal system also seems to have lost any sense of proportion. Christopher Ratte, a professor of archaeology, recently tried to buy his seven-year-old son a bottle of lemonade at a cricket match. He was handed a bottle of Mike's Hard Lemonade, an alcoholic drink, by mistake. Officials noticed the boy sipping the drink and immediately whisked him off to hospital. He was fine. But the family was condemned to legal hell: the police at first put the seven-year-old into a foster home and a judge ruled that he could go home only if his father moved out. It took several days of legal wrangling to reunite the family.

Typical Nanny State.

Letum · 06-28-08, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Typical Nanny State.

Few would call the US a nanny state.

STEED · 06-28-08, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Typical Nanny State.

Few would call the US a nanny state.

Sounds like this Nanny State is going world wide.

nikimcbee · 06-29-08, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Typical Nanny State.

Few would call the US a nanny state.

That depends which state you are talking about. There are more than enough nanny states in the US.
Like Minnesota, if it's fun, it's illeagal.

StdDev · 06-29-08, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

That depends which state you are talking about. There are more than enough nanny states in the US.
Like Minnesota, if it's fun, it's illeagal.

Sounds more like a State of Depression...

Now CA.. thats the State of Anemia.. they'll bleed ya dry

I think New York is the State of Confusion..

Platapus · 06-29-08, 09:34 AM

While I agree that the law enforcement/child protection people over reacted, I also wonder about the father.

What parent would not at least check the label before letting their kid drink something. it is not like the hard lemonade bottle looks anything remotely like a bottle of "plain" lemonade?

Parents still do have the responsibility of knowing whether they are handing their kid an alcoholic drink or not.

The fact is that the 7 year old was drinking an alcoholic drink and that aint good.

However, the negligence of the parent, in this situation, does not warrant such a response from the state.

06-27-08, 06:39 PM	#1
clive bradbury Captain Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: stoke-on-trent, UK Posts: 492 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	only in the uk The wrong lemonade The UK legal system also seems to have lost any sense of proportion. Christopher Ratte, a professor of archaeology, recently tried to buy his seven-year-old son a bottle of lemonade at a cricket match. He was handed a bottle of Mike's Hard Lemonade, an alcoholic drink, by mistake. Officials noticed the boy sipping the drink and immediately whisked him off to hospital. He was fine. But the family was condemned to legal hell: the police at first put the seven-year-old into a foster home and a judge ruled that he could go home only if his father moved out. It took several days of legal wrangling to reunite the family.

06-27-08, 07:31 PM	#2
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	:rotfl: Only in the UK?! Cricket match?! Where did you get this from? This happed in America at a baseball game! I wonder what the motive was for changing it to the UK... Care to explain? edit Original source here before it was doctored. I think the UK and Europe's attitude to alcohol is a little more robust. __________________

06-27-08, 07:48 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Holy Indiana Jones, Bat-Letum; he's an archeology professor! Thanks for posting that second link. Not to go too far off topic, but I've been thinking about that same loss of freedom lately. See, here (as probably with everywhere else) we have a property tax. If you don't pay your property tax they will take away your property (car, house, land). Funny thing is, the U.S. Constitution - I'm sure you've heard it mentioned once or twice here - says, right in the text "No man shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law." So, they put a tax on property and call it "due process". I call it a government-sanctioned protection racket. So why not a 'Liberty Tax?' "Give us money or go to jail"! 'Life Tax?' Sometimes I think the only reason they don't have those is that they know we wouldn't stand for it. Another bloody revolution. But a 'Property Tax'? That we'll take lying down. It's just a little liberty. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-27-08, 07:57 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Well, here it isn't Federal. They get away with it mainly because it's done by the states (maybe not even all of them - I don't know). But it still bugs me. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-27-08, 08:00 PM	#6
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I bet. I'm a high-tax-high-spend chap, but I don't like the sound of property tax one bit. Not as bad as poll tax / head tax perhaps. Do you still have that in the US? edit No, you don't. edit Anyone one want to have a guess at the motive behind the UK/US Baseball/Cricket switch? __________________

06-29-08, 09:34 AM	#13
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,379 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	While I agree that the law enforcement/child protection people over reacted, I also wonder about the father. What parent would not at least check the label before letting their kid drink something. it is not like the hard lemonade bottle looks anything remotely like a bottle of "plain" lemonade? Parents still do have the responsibility of knowing whether they are handing their kid an alcoholic drink or not. The fact is that the 7 year old was drinking an alcoholic drink and that aint good. However, the negligence of the parent, in this situation, does not warrant such a response from the state. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.