[REQ] Japanese subs

[peabody]

Question:
Is it possible to make a Japanese sub that is playable, but remains a Japanese sub? Most of the playable units I see are built on German "playable" subs using a Japanese shell. I did see one that is built on the Tambor.
The reason I ask, there are no Japanese subs that are playable, so if built on a German sub it carries over the German properties and must be used in a German Campaign or Single mission. And if it's built on an American sub it will be attacked by the Japanese and German ships, even though it is a Japanese sub.
I don't know if I'm explaining myself very well here. But is it possible for example to take a non-playable Hyoteki or Sen Tuko and use parts from another sub but have it remain a Japanese sub? Or are the parts that make it "human controled' hard coded and we have to make them either German or American?

There is (as you probably already know) a UPC file that contains 'Nationality' but that doen't seem to make a difference.

The AI units are detected as Japanese but since there are no 'playable' ones to build on, is it a dead end? The reason I ask is that I am trying to learn the silent 3ditor and that part will be hard enough from what I've seen from the ones that 'know what they are doing' I don't want to start a project this complicated that is not possible. I certainly appreciate the hard work that goes into these projects and salute anyone that is doing it!!!!! There are so many pieces in so many different locations that affect the sub....I'm getting a headache.

I am not asking you to build it for me, just if you know, is it possible to build a 'playable' sub that is "Japanese"?

There are three reasons for the question:
1. I am familiar with and like the fleet boat interior. (some may not and I respect your position)
2. There has been talk about a Japanese Campaign and if it is built (at this point) it would have to be a German Campaign. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to put in any of the ships or subs that have been built. And that would overwrite the OP Monsoon that seems to be so popular.
3. I was considering writing a Japanese Campaign because I understand the Mission Editor but don't understand the S3ditor. And the 'text' editing is easier to understand, obviously!!!! But if I make a Mod from the Allied side so it doesn't affect OP Monsoon, the ships and subs won't be useable. (But, I have read hints that that project is being done.)

Well, I've used up my 2cents so appreciate any info.

Peabody

[Xantrokoles]

Hello peabody,
When you add a Sub it has to be German or American.
So you can only overwrite the German campaign.
But this shouldn't be a problem, cause there are nor big signs who say you are a GERMAN SUB...
e.g. you can rename: Crewnames, Subname, upgrade names, Harbor names, Menu names, flotilla names and so on

Praticaly you can make every unit playable for every country.

[JU_88]

Of course i can be done, in fact it already has.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=134119

Alot depends on how far any modder would be prepared to go with it.
Alot of hard work world be required to model a few different subs with interiors, adding japanese voices could be done, making the crew models look oriental would even be possible, but not very easy to do with out screwing the facial animations.

The biggest problem with modeling other nations subs (besided US and German) is the lack of avliable images and research material - specifically blue prints needed for modelling accurate subs, I have never seen any pictures of IJN subs command room (on the net anyway.) Most modders dont want to pay for research material unless they have to.

[peabody]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Of course i can be done, in fact it already has.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=134119

I apparently didn't explain it well and I apologize for that.
This is NOT a Japanese sub, it is a German sub. You can not play it in the American/Japanese mission. It must be played as a german sub in a German mission. I know that because I wrote a couple of missions for Keltos.

The results are the same, you can attack US ships and they will attack you but it is still a German sub that looks Japanese. It is great work, don't take this the wrong way. This in not a complaint!!! He is doing a great job with this. I was just curious if you could actually make a playable Japanese sub that would work without the German add-on. Xantro answered it above, it has to be American or German. So obviously it has to be made German or the Allies will not attack it. Be a great way to attack a convoy though, make a Japanese ship from an American sub and it won't be attacked.:rotfl:

I just wanted to be able to add a Japanese sub in already existing American missions and apparently it is not possible. And doing a Allied/Japanese Pacific Campaign would mean a conflict with OP Monsoon.

There was a Sen Toku built from a Tambor and I did a test mission and I could sail it right into Pearl Harbor, no problem because as far as the game is conserned it is a Tambor and they will not attack it, even though it is a Sen Toku.

I hope this better explains what I was trying to say. I am new to modding and didn't want to start a project that would be a dead end because it isn't possible to do.

Thanks to both of you for your comments, appreciate it!!!!

Peabody

[akdavis]

Why does it matter if exterior, interior, campaign, voices etc. can all be replaced?

[Xantrokoles]

If you spend a lot of time it'll be compatible with ops monsun

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by akdavis

Why does it matter if exterior, interior, campaign, voices etc. can all be replaced?

Well it depends, do you want to feel like your comanding an actual Japanese sub, or a german/US sub dressed up as one?
Not sure I understand what you mean....