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Old 04-28-08, 01:02 AM   #1
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I know there was a thread recently where we were talking about this. This is from the pacific but I thought the way survivors from the sunk merchant were handled was interesting. *semi graphic

 
Old 04-28-08, 01:25 AM   #2
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War is probably the most offensive of all human activities.

There were heroes on all sides of the conflict, just as there were atrocities committed by all sides. This is undeniable.

On thing that made the pacific war so dreadful is the particularly high level of hatred both sides had for one another and the particularly high level of desperation with which many of the battles were fought.

no words from any historian or scholar will ever justify the actions of some.

The important question is "what would you do?"

Personally, as i sit here in the safety and comfort of my own home its easy to say i would provide the survivors with what water could be spared and point them in the direction of land...i would stop short of 'rendering aide to the enemy' and i would do my best to remember that we are all human beings and that it could just as easily be me floating in that water.

on the other hand...

I cant promise the answer would be the same in the adrenaline fueled, highly emotional heat of battle.

as a civilian playing a game we have the luxury of speculation, but until you wear a uniform and put your arse on the line like some here have... you wont know.
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The important question is "what would you do?"
I might regret it later but I would probably do the same thing because that was back when America was a great nation. It was a free country worth fighting over and Pearl Harbor was fresh on everyones minds. That America doesn't exist anymore and I could never kill anyone present day so America can rob everyone blind and build a McDonalds with a Wal-Mart.
 
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im going to have to respectfully disagree with you.

America is a great nation worthy of my best efforts on the battlefield.

despite the darkness she currently finds herself temporarily lost in... this is far from her darkest hour.

That said... she is currently crippled by poor leadership. The two parties in power have griped and pissed and moaned and they have forgotten who they work for...

..YOU AND ME.

there are loud noisy revolutions, and there are quiet, patient revolutions. America was founded by revolution and revolution will sustain her.

Never give up the ship mate! Stand tall with your head held high. Be proud to be an American...

Her cause your cause, her flag... your flag.
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Hello,
hmm even when some scenes were constructed, two or three give evidence that they indeed shot at castaways - which the survivors obviously were after suviving a sinking ship, or a crashed plane. Very bad, i have heard of "Mush" Morton and others etc., but to see it ... this definitely is a war crime.
I think some films should probably not be shown in utube or publicly.
Even if it is "the Pacific" and "a lot of hate", why ? Every war starts with one nation attacking another without real warning - why this special hate towards the japanese ? Seems this propaganda machine has once more raised its ugly head.
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oh it did happen numerous times.

I have heard some veterans of that terrible war explain that some guys did it just because, others were ordered to do it because the surivors often planted live grenades on themselves with intent to detonate them once dragged aboard.

very sad either way you look at it
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Hello,
hmm even when some scenes were constructed, two or three give evidence that they indeed shot at castaways - which the survivors obviously were after suviving a sinking ship, or a crashed plane. Very bad, i have heard of "Mush" Morton and others etc., but to see it ... this definitely is a war crime.
I think some films should probably not be shown in utube or publicly.
Even if it is "the Pacific" and "a lot of hate", why ? Every war starts with one nation attacking another without real warning - why this special hate towards the japanese ? Seems this propaganda machine has once more raised its ugly head.
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those ppl would be well aware of 2 things, the way the japs treated prisoners and civilians ( they used chinese for bayonet practice) and the fact that there was a high chance that if you did want to save them, there would be a good chance they would blow themselves up anyways, killing your crew.

many probably were full of hate at having to live that life so far away from home, and many probably lost friends.

well at least those are my opinions.

be thankfulll we only do this in a game.
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im going to have to respectfully disagree with you.

America is a great nation worthy of my best efforts on the battlefield.

despite the darkness she currently finds herself temporarily lost in... this is far from her darkest hour.

That said... she is currently crippled by poor leadership. The two parties in power have griped and pissed and moaned and they have forgotten who they work for...

..YOU AND ME.

there are loud noisy revolutions, and there are quiet, patient revolutions. America was founded by revolution and revolution will sustain her.

Never give up the ship mate! Stand tall with your head held high. Be proud to be an American...

Her cause your cause, her flag... your flag.
Cound not have said that better myself
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