Me, LWAMI or 1.04? / Can this be fixed?

suBB · 04-04-08, 03:20 PM

Currently running LW/AMI / 1.04:

I’m designing a mission involving TU142-bear, capable of EW / ASUW / ASW, which is assigned to a tactic (random search). The bear is currently emitting and can’t be turned off.

But when air or surface are added to the opposing side, the bear ignores the assigned tactic and attempts to make a visual ID on the contact(s)

I would rather the bear hold to the assigned tactic, as instructed. So, is this something that can be fixed? If so, possibly on the level of doctrine, where a doctrine can be modified / added to prevent the bear from doing so and hold the assigned tactic?

:hmm:My 1st hunch is he is reacting to the radar return and in doing so he is trying to make a visual. If anything, I’d rather have the radar off on the bear anyways, if possible. Map will be intended for MP, so I guess a separate doctrine would be great.

So, I’m just wondering, is this something on my end, which I don’t think it is…

Or

Does this have something to do with the LW/AMI mod…

Or

DW 1.04?

thanks

Bill Nichols · 04-04-08, 04:21 PM

This is not a LWAMI issue, I've run into the same irritating behavior in vanilla DW. The only way I know of to make the aircraft ignore surface ships is to put the ships on the same side as the aircraft.

Molon Labe · 04-04-08, 05:01 PM

If the contact is out of EMCON, the Bear will classify by ESM at a greater range...

It's not just air platforms that do this... every platform, even subs at shallow depths, will step on the gas when an unidentified platform is reported.

suBB · 04-04-08, 07:59 PM

ok..

Thanks guys, I'm not very pleased at what I'm hearing right now and this is starting to smell like a work-around. I'm going to do some tests to see just how bad is bad.

The Joys of Editing....

Also, the opposing unit was in EMCON (playable FFG) and still the bear made a bee line for me.

thanks again

suBB · 04-04-08, 08:39 PM

Well here it is…

Bear (emitting) tested w all tactics:

Only works for transit, then at the last waypoint, it stops working. Doesn’t work at all with the rest of the tactics.

Now here is the fun part…

Beechcraft(non emitting, opposing side):

Works for all tactics and will not ignore tactics to intercept. Honestly I only tested one tactic that the bear failed, and since it worked, I assume the rest for all.

Is there another red platform capable of buoys, yet does not emit? Probably not but it never hurts to ask.

To be · 04-05-08, 02:58 PM

It is not that the beachcraft isn't emitting causes it to not attempt to classify, it is that the beachcraft has no weapons, so it doesn't ever attempt to attack (which would neccesitate identification). I hope you understand that, it is very poorly worded, but I can't really think of how to write it better offhand.

04-04-08, 03:20 PM	#1
suBB Chief Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 326 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Me, LWAMI or 1.04? / Can this be fixed? Currently running LW/AMI / 1.04: I’m designing a mission involving TU142-bear, capable of EW / ASUW / ASW, which is assigned to a tactic (random search). The bear is currently emitting and can’t be turned off. But when air or surface are added to the opposing side, the bear ignores the assigned tactic and attempts to make a visual ID on the contact(s) I would rather the bear hold to the assigned tactic, as instructed. So, is this something that can be fixed? If so, possibly on the level of doctrine, where a doctrine can be modified / added to prevent the bear from doing so and hold the assigned tactic? :hmm:My 1st hunch is he is reacting to the radar return and in doing so he is trying to make a visual. If anything, I’d rather have the radar off on the bear anyways, if possible. Map will be intended for MP, so I guess a separate doctrine would be great. So, I’m just wondering, is this something on my end, which I don’t think it is… Or Does this have something to do with the LW/AMI mod… Or DW 1.04? thanks __________________ Dynamic Mission Objective MP / Download Available Freelancers’ guild / DW mission objectives MP

04-04-08, 04:21 PM	#2
Bill Nichols Master of Defense Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 1,502 Downloads: 125 Uploads: 0	This is not a LWAMI issue, I've run into the same irritating behavior in vanilla DW. The only way I know of to make the aircraft ignore surface ships is to put the ships on the same side as the aircraft. __________________ My Dangerous Waters website:

04-04-08, 05:01 PM	#3
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	If the contact is out of EMCON, the Bear will classify by ESM at a greater range... It's not just air platforms that do this... every platform, even subs at shallow depths, will step on the gas when an unidentified platform is reported. __________________

04-04-08, 07:59 PM	#4
suBB Chief Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 326 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	ok.. Thanks guys, I'm not very pleased at what I'm hearing right now and this is starting to smell like a work-around. I'm going to do some tests to see just how bad is bad. The Joys of Editing.... Also, the opposing unit was in EMCON (playable FFG) and still the bear made a bee line for me. thanks again __________________ Dynamic Mission Objective MP / Download Available Freelancers’ guild / DW mission objectives MP

04-04-08, 08:39 PM	#5
suBB Chief Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 326 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Well here it is… Bear (emitting) tested w all tactics: Only works for transit, then at the last waypoint, it stops working. Doesn’t work at all with the rest of the tactics. Now here is the fun part… Beechcraft(non emitting, opposing side): Works for all tactics and will not ignore tactics to intercept. Honestly I only tested one tactic that the bear failed, and since it worked, I assume the rest for all. Is there another red platform capable of buoys, yet does not emit? Probably not but it never hurts to ask. __________________ Dynamic Mission Objective MP / Download Available Freelancers’ guild / DW mission objectives MP

04-05-08, 02:58 PM	#6
To be Electrician's Mate Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 140 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	It is not that the beachcraft isn't emitting causes it to not attempt to classify, it is that the beachcraft has no weapons, so it doesn't ever attempt to attack (which would neccesitate identification). I hope you understand that, it is very poorly worded, but I can't really think of how to write it better offhand.