RSRD: no contact for 20 days in Celebes Sea

brandtryan · 03-30-08, 09:14 AM

I'm patrolling a choke point in the northern Celebes Sea--and haven't had a single contact for twenty days!

I'm running RSRD with TMO--and have my copy of "Silent Victory" at hand. It's a lot of fun looking up the dates of my patrols, and reading about what actually happened.

At any rate--according to the book--it wasn't uncommon that I didn't see anything for twenty days--but I'm getting a little ansy

In general, is the merchant traffic greatly reduced with RSRD? I'm off to read the readme file again--and thanks for any replies

nfitzsimmons · 03-30-08, 09:24 AM

Merchant traffic is greatly reduced in TMO. I've had entire patrols without seeing more than one or two contacts. And RSRD uses the historic Jamanese shipping lanes and traffic.

brandtryan · 03-30-08, 09:26 AM

thanks for the info fitz

I'll keep searching.

iricund · 03-30-08, 09:30 AM

I may be wrong on this one but I think after a certain period of time in mission the game stops spawning new traffic. One of the reasons it's pointless to head back to port to rearm indefinitely. If you've gone for long periods of time like you have with no contacts I'd think about heading back to port - maybe swinging through some areas of likely traffic on the way just in case.

swdw · 03-30-08, 03:00 PM

iricund- The traffic in RSRD is scripted and not random. The scripts follow the historical info on IJN and merchant ship movement.

Other campaign layers have used a combination of scripting and random spawning so what you say may apply to them. It would take a bug in the game for it to not spawn scripted traffic.

Brandtryan. There are several choke points in the celebes sea and the Japanese would occasionally rotate them. You may need to shift to another point.

Usually RSRD will shift your patrol area after meeting the specified time. The bug in the game that will bite you is the one affecting the amount of time in an assigned patrol area. Others have reported that if you save the game and quit before reaching the required time, the game starts the clock over when you reload. So you can wind up spending 2 weeks in an area you were only suppossed to patrol for 72 hours.

Are you sending in patrol reprts as required? If not, this can keep you from receiving new orders.

WernerSobe · 03-30-08, 03:53 PM

yea known issue with RSRD..

by all respect i doubt that RSRD is "so" real...

One must be naive assuming that every single ship movement during WWII has been recorded somewhere and one must be totaly innocent assuming that all of this could be scripted into a mod by one person...

Fact is that japanese sea was considered as absolute no-go for US submarines until middle 44. Only few subs were sent deep into japanese waters and never came back.

and Fact is that i can go from SF to Tokio all the way surfaced without ever seeing something worth sinking when using RSRD. Ive been patroling tokio harbor for almost a month and NEVER seen anything coming in or out the bay. Thats just not right, ou cant call it realistic.

lurker_hlb3 · 03-31-08, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by brandtryan

I'm patrolling a choke point in the northern Celebes Sea--and haven't had a single contact for twenty days!

I'm running RSRD with TMO--and have my copy of "Silent Victory" at hand. It's a lot of fun looking up the dates of my patrols, and reading about what actually happened.

At any rate--according to the book--it wasn't uncommon that I didn't see anything for twenty days--but I'm getting a little ansy

In general, is the merchant traffic greatly reduced with RSRD? I'm off to read the readme file again--and thanks for any replies

Just for the record, what time period was this "20 days of no contacts" ?

Quote:

I've done two patrols now, and not run into anything.

Time period of these two patrols ?

brandtryan · 03-31-08, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by lurker_hlb3

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandtryan

I'm patrolling a choke point in the northern Celebes Sea--and haven't had a single contact for twenty days!

I'm running RSRD with TMO--and have my copy of "Silent Victory" at hand. It's a lot of fun looking up the dates of my patrols, and reading about what actually happened.

At any rate--according to the book--it wasn't uncommon that I didn't see anything for twenty days--but I'm getting a little ansy

In general, is the merchant traffic greatly reduced with RSRD? I'm off to read the readme file again--and thanks for any replies

Just for the record, what time period was this "20 days of no contacts" ?

Quote:

I've done two patrols now, and not run into anything.

Time period of these two patrols ?

20 days of no contact started I think, May 8th, 1942. I'm not sure that's the exact date--but it ws definately early May, 1942

The other involved new careers with the Asiatic Fleet-- December 1941 and January 1942.

AVGWarhawk · 03-31-08, 07:24 AM

Werner:

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And trust me - you could not go from perl to tokio all the way surfaced without finding attention.

You originally stated SF to Tokio. Sure, the Battle of Midway were subs did little of nothing except Nautilus who had dead torps, the real traffic is south west of Hawaii in the Solomons, Celebes, Java, New Guinea, Phillipines, Borneo. The Japanase were expanding south for the resources. There is not much between Japan and Hawaii. With the exception of Midway, I see no reason to have a huge armada steaming to Hawaii. That was handled at the Battle of Midway. What I would expect after Midway going West to Japan is some picket boats. Maybe a small convoy to Iwo. Not much else. Even so, it is a vast ocean between those two points. I do recall the Capt of the Wahoo on four engines from Japan to Hawaii on the surface racing to get to port because he was so pissed about the dead torps. . No planes, no shipping seen as he motored 21 knots between those two points.

But, I agree that some singletons and small convoys should spawn every now and then. Celebes should be a bit busy starting in 42.

nfitzsimmons · 03-31-08, 07:53 AM

For what it's worth I'm currently commanding the USS Drum with RSRD installed. If nothing else Lurker appears to have done a superb job with the November Philippine Sea scenario. In fact I now have 3 different saved games to allow me to try engaging each of the 3 IJN task forces.

I get the appropriate flash traffice from the correct historic units (the Cavalla and Albacore) and the whole experience is very immersive.

One saved game is engaging the task force as it leaves Tawi Tawi, the second involves the AO's and replenishment tanker convoys west of Guam, and the third (trying this now) is the main force.

Just for the helluvit I tried patroling at the east end of the San Bernardino Strait starting around November 13th. On the 16th I got a sonar contact, and now I appear to be engaging major IJN forces. I'm currently at periscope in the middle of the task force, and have so far spotted 4 fleet carriers, 2 escort carriers, 4 BB's and uncounted CA's CL's and DD's.

I have the external camera enables, and from an altitude of about 1,000 feet the task force appears to go clear to the horizon. Great job on this scenario!

Now I'll probably get my butt depth charged as soon as I shoot. I'll settle for getting one BB or CV, though. And surviving, or course.

AVGWarhawk · 03-31-08, 08:01 AM

nfitzsimmons,

You are exactly were the activity was! The chains of islands and major land masses were the Japanese were taking with impunity. Sounds like fun

. Lurker sends you logical places IMO. Flash traffic is great and real. Also, if the area you are in is dead, you are the captain, sail off to find a better place to hunt. The game will not retire you for not completing one area of the patrol. I have done that before. I have never been retired for poor performance. The ships are there, you have to find them.

lurker_hlb3 · 03-31-08, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandtryan

20 days of no contact started I think, May 8th, 1942. I'm not sure that's the exact date--but it ws definately early May, 1942

The other involved new careers with the Asiatic Fleet-- December 1941 and January 1942.

Here May 42

Here Jan 42

Here Dec 41

AVGWarhawk · 03-31-08, 08:34 PM

Looks like heavy traffic to me as it should be in those years. Many a skipper wanted to run that slot from Java up to Celebes because it was busy. Hunt and they will come!

brandtryan · 03-31-08, 09:03 PM

k, those pictures convinced me I need to be more patient. I've loaded up RSRD v15, and am now in Dec. 41. I've run into a minelayer, thinking it was the invasion force hitting Legaspi (see page 133 of "Silent Victory". I was there on the 10th of Dec., and now I'm leaving as it's the 12th--I didn't see the Jap forces that were supposed to invade on the 11th. However, I've been tasked with patrolling another area further south--hoping for the best! (BTW I didn't sink the minelayer--he was manuevering way too much. I need to learn how to hit manuvering targets. The only ones I get are going in straight lines!

03-30-08, 09:14 AM	#1
brandtryan Engineer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Indianapolis, United States Posts: 214 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	RSRD: no contact for 20 days in Celebes Sea I'm patrolling a choke point in the northern Celebes Sea--and haven't had a single contact for twenty days! I'm running RSRD with TMO--and have my copy of "Silent Victory" at hand. It's a lot of fun looking up the dates of my patrols, and reading about what actually happened. At any rate--according to the book--it wasn't uncommon that I didn't see anything for twenty days--but I'm getting a little ansy In general, is the merchant traffic greatly reduced with RSRD? I'm off to read the readme file again--and thanks for any replies

03-30-08, 09:24 AM	#2
nfitzsimmons Planesman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 180 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	Merchant traffic is greatly reduced in TMO. I've had entire patrols without seeing more than one or two contacts. And RSRD uses the historic Jamanese shipping lanes and traffic. __________________ "I'd say he was a sadistic, sodomistic necrophile, but that would be beating a dead horse." - Woody Allen

03-30-08, 03:00 PM	#5
swdw Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 921 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	iricund- The traffic in RSRD is scripted and not random. The scripts follow the historical info on IJN and merchant ship movement. Other campaign layers have used a combination of scripting and random spawning so what you say may apply to them. It would take a bug in the game for it to not spawn scripted traffic. Brandtryan. There are several choke points in the celebes sea and the Japanese would occasionally rotate them. You may need to shift to another point. Usually RSRD will shift your patrol area after meeting the specified time. The bug in the game that will bite you is the one affecting the amount of time in an assigned patrol area. Others have reported that if you save the game and quit before reaching the required time, the game starts the clock over when you reload. So you can wind up spending 2 weeks in an area you were only suppossed to patrol for 72 hours. Are you sending in patrol reprts as required? If not, this can keep you from receiving new orders. __________________ "There are only two types of ships- submarines...... and targets" Unknown "you wouldn't catch me on a ship that deliberately sinks itself"- comment to me from a surface sailor. System: AMD 6300 3.5 GHz \| 32GB DDR3 \| SATA 300 320GB HD, SATA III 1TB HD, SATA III 1.TB HD \| ASUS Sonar DS sound card NVIDIA 1660 Super OC \| Windows 10

03-31-08, 07:53 AM	#10
nfitzsimmons Planesman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 180 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	For what it's worth I'm currently commanding the USS Drum with RSRD installed. If nothing else Lurker appears to have done a superb job with the November Philippine Sea scenario. In fact I now have 3 different saved games to allow me to try engaging each of the 3 IJN task forces. I get the appropriate flash traffice from the correct historic units (the Cavalla and Albacore) and the whole experience is very immersive. One saved game is engaging the task force as it leaves Tawi Tawi, the second involves the AO's and replenishment tanker convoys west of Guam, and the third (trying this now) is the main force. Just for the helluvit I tried patroling at the east end of the San Bernardino Strait starting around November 13th. On the 16th I got a sonar contact, and now I appear to be engaging major IJN forces. I'm currently at periscope in the middle of the task force, and have so far spotted 4 fleet carriers, 2 escort carriers, 4 BB's and uncounted CA's CL's and DD's. I have the external camera enables, and from an altitude of about 1,000 feet the task force appears to go clear to the horizon. Great job on this scenario! Now I'll probably get my butt depth charged as soon as I shoot. I'll settle for getting one BB or CV, though. And surviving, or course. __________________ "I'd say he was a sadistic, sodomistic necrophile, but that would be beating a dead horse." - Woody Allen

03-31-08, 08:01 AM	#11
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,286 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	nfitzsimmons, You are exactly were the activity was! The chains of islands and major land masses were the Japanese were taking with impunity. Sounds like fun. Lurker sends you logical places IMO. Flash traffic is great and real. Also, if the area you are in is dead, you are the captain, sail off to find a better place to hunt. The game will not retire you for not completing one area of the patrol. I have done that before. I have never been retired for poor performance. The ships are there, you have to find them. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-30-08, 09:26 AM	#3
brandtryan Engineer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Indianapolis, United States Posts: 214 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	thanks for the info fitz I'll keep searching.

03-30-08, 09:30 AM	#4
iricund Seaman Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 38 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I may be wrong on this one but I think after a certain period of time in mission the game stops spawning new traffic. One of the reasons it's pointless to head back to port to rearm indefinitely. If you've gone for long periods of time like you have with no contacts I'd think about heading back to port - maybe swinging through some areas of likely traffic on the way just in case.

03-30-08, 03:53 PM	#6
WernerSobe Commodore Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 625 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	yea known issue with RSRD.. by all respect i doubt that RSRD is "so" real... One must be naive assuming that every single ship movement during WWII has been recorded somewhere and one must be totaly innocent assuming that all of this could be scripted into a mod by one person... Fact is that japanese sea was considered as absolute no-go for US submarines until middle 44. Only few subs were sent deep into japanese waters and never came back. and Fact is that i can go from SF to Tokio all the way surfaced without ever seeing something worth sinking when using RSRD. Ive been patroling tokio harbor for almost a month and NEVER seen anything coming in or out the bay. Thats just not right, ou cant call it realistic.

03-31-08, 08:34 PM	#13
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,286 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Looks like heavy traffic to me as it should be in those years. Many a skipper wanted to run that slot from Java up to Celebes because it was busy. Hunt and they will come! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-31-08, 09:03 PM	#14
brandtryan Engineer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Indianapolis, United States Posts: 214 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	k, those pictures convinced me I need to be more patient. I've loaded up RSRD v15, and am now in Dec. 41. I've run into a minelayer, thinking it was the invasion force hitting Legaspi (see page 133 of "Silent Victory". I was there on the 10th of Dec., and now I'm leaving as it's the 12th--I didn't see the Jap forces that were supposed to invade on the 11th. However, I've been tasked with patrolling another area further south--hoping for the best! (BTW I didn't sink the minelayer--he was manuevering way too much. I need to learn how to hit manuvering targets. The only ones I get are going in straight lines!