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Old 03-22-08, 11:51 AM   #1
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ok I just tried something i seen in a movie against a destroyer that was escorting a convoy of four freighters. It was a Minikazi class destroyer. I moving on the surface to get good firing position on a freignter when the destoyer appeared. I turned into him, lined up bow to bow and closed to 3,000 yards at flank speed, dropped to standard at 2,500 feet. I pulled the plug to dive to periscope depth. I transferred data setting from the torpedo bearing device on the bridge to periscope as i dived. once at periscope level we were 1,500 away from each other. at 1,200 i fired a Mk 23 and well it made one hell of a hit and a nice show. The tactic really works.

Now trying to rmember which movie i seen it in:

it was either:
Hellcats of the Navy
Run Silent, Run Deep, or
Operation Pacific

I just can't remember

But those hollywood tactics do work.
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Old 03-22-08, 11:57 AM   #2
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You probably saw that in "Run Silent, Run Deep." It is called a "Down the Throat" shot, and it was used successfully during the war on several occasions.
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Old 03-22-08, 03:01 PM   #3
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I'm confused. You dropped speed at 3000 yards but waited to submerge at 2500 feet? Is this a typo and is 2500 yards or 3000 feet or is this right the way it is?
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Old 03-22-08, 04:22 PM   #4
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here is order of the fight

The destroyer picked me up at around 7,400 yards he was on a bearing 035 on me, I through the rudder over and lined up to him bow to bow. I was going 2/3 ahead, when we were bow to bow, i called for flank. we closed down on each other to around 3,000 yards I was doing 20 knots, he was cranking out 37, as i said we were bow to bow. Once at the 3,000 mark i ordered standard and ordered a dive to periscope depth. this monouver was completed at around 2,500 to 2,000 yards. once i was steady in the water he kept coming at me but dropped to 20 knots we closed to about 1,200, and i fired my Mk 23. and the Ninikazi was history. hope that clearifies it a little better
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Old 03-22-08, 05:11 PM   #5
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Did you fire directly on the bearing line to the destroyer? That is, did you fire directly at him without seting up a firing solution? You hit him dead forward bow....is there enough width to a destroyer to smack a torp into its mouth?
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Old 03-22-08, 05:42 PM   #6
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Charging a DD on the surface is a good way to ingest a couple of 5" shells right in the conning tower. They're accurate to about 5000 yards. Subs have been known to have indigestion and be unable to swim afterwards. Down the throat is chancy enough without 50 knot closing speeds.

It's about a one in three proposition in the best of circumstances, where you wait at periscope depth running away from the DD at ahead emergency (reducing closing speed and encouraging him to increase speed) and wait until 500 yards to shoot. Immediately upon shooting you dive and turn left or right. You might lower the scope too.:rotfl:

Your way works in the movies, but SH4 it's too dangerous and not accurate enough.

Try it a few more times and see if I'm right!
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