Is he wrong??

mapuc · 03-17-08, 07:33 PM

Today(yesterday) I and my cousin was watching this 9/11 movie made by(you know who)

After that we had an discussion about almost everything regarding 9/11

This moore is hated by many and loved by few, why

And my cousin said this

That's because, in his world, there's only black or white, nothing between.
In his world Bush is the blackest black and Clinton is the whitest white

Then I asked him this

Is everything he has said in this documentary totally wrong or??

He said

I can't say that for sure

So now I ask you

Is Michael Moore wrong in every thing he says in his own movie(9/11)?

Markus

Frau_Phillips · 03-17-08, 07:49 PM

I don't like the people who villify Bush or people like him. Moore and critics like him act like the President is a bad person.
I'm not a fan of President Bush. But I have no right to say he's a bad person, or a stupid or corrupt person. All I have the right to do is to criticize decisions that I don't agree with.
If Moore would be a little more tactful, more people would listen to him and respect what he has to say. The way to present something that you believe strongly and want other people to understand is not through insults, jokes, and sarcasm.

Letum · 03-17-08, 08:01 PM

Too loud and brash for me. It doesn't make him look interllectually serious.
He is highly polarizing amongst the impressionable.

Is he right or wrong?
I can't answer that with any degree of certainty because it is controversial.
Anyway, it is ideas that are right or wrong, not people.

I could offer my own opinions, but they would be just that.
I could offer rational argument for or against him, but that would be unoriginal and
dull much as he is.
Anything else I could say would just be rhetoric.

In short:
To ask if he is right or wrong is a duff question.
I think he is loud, dull, and unoriginal poloriseing.

The WosMan · 03-17-08, 07:53 PM

Moore is hated simply because he is a dishonest director. Now if he went out there and said, "hey this is all a joke" no problem but he doesn't. I have a very good book written by David Hardy (someone I know personally) who does an excellent job of tearing Moore and his "facts" apart piece by piece and proving that Moore is nothing but a giant fraud (like most mega-wealthy liberals are).

Frau_Phillips · 03-17-08, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The WosMan

Moore is hated simply because he is a dishonest director. Now if he went out there and said, "hey this is all a joke" no problem but he doesn't. I have a very good book written by David Hardy (someone I know personally) who does an excellent job of tearing Moore and his "facts" apart piece by piece and proving that Moore is nothing but a giant fraud (like most mega-wealthy liberals are).

Putting aside whether I agree with what you say or not.

I don't think he'd be hated if his facts weren't true. Lots and lots of people agree with a lot of the stuff he says and STILL hate his guts. Conservatives are going to hate him regardless.
I stand by what I say, it's the way he does it and presents his facts.

mapuc · 03-17-08, 09:02 PM

On a danish debate I wrote this

"Yes you can hate a person or his personality whatever he's right or not-you just can't stand his gust you, just hate him. so whatever this person say is a lie/wrong."

And what do I mean about this?

Well I don't like Moore more than most of you do. BUT I do have so much behave that I can say to my self

Is he wrong or is he right about those thing he said in the movie?

What's wrong and what's right

If everything is wrong, then he should be accused of insult(or what the english term is for that)

If he's right all the way or some of it(don't how much of it, is true) then Some of the government should face a court.

Markus

antikristuseke · 03-17-08, 09:11 PM

Personaly i dont like Moore any more than I like Bush, at times it feels like they are the diferent sides of the same coin. Anyway I havent bothered to watch his 9/11 doc, but like his other works it probably has soe truth to it, if only by accident, and rest is just horse****.

Wolfehunter · 03-17-08, 09:24 PM

You should watch this movie.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

Beginning is rough it takes off after the second part and third is the best!

Stealth Hunter · 03-17-08, 09:26 PM

Well, Bush is a corrupt person. He's put more things into law that violate our rights as citizens than the number of calories Michael Moore consumes every day. This anti-terrorist act that allows him to listen into our phone calls is a violation to freedom of speech and the right to privacy, and this Internet one that he's signed on is just the same. Anytime you type in something like "terrorist" or "bomb" on an Internet form, a tracker records the link and can take you right to the site. It can tell you who posted it, the time, their IP address, you name it. It gives you the works.

More and more, I feel like singing "Die Fahne Hoch!" rather than "My Country 'Tis of Thee". It's getting that bad. Our country is sinking extremely quickly. We can either abandon ship, get on the bandwagon, or go down with the ship. Personally, I'll probably abandon ship if it gets totally out of control (in which case, I will sing "Nearer My God To Thee" and skip the other two).

This pretty much sums up our situation (just change the name of the vessel to the USS America, lol):

03-17-08, 07:33 PM	#1
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,540 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Is he wrong?? Today(yesterday) I and my cousin was watching this 9/11 movie made by(you know who) After that we had an discussion about almost everything regarding 9/11 This moore is hated by many and loved by few, why And my cousin said this That's because, in his world, there's only black or white, nothing between. In his world Bush is the blackest black and Clinton is the whitest white Then I asked him this Is everything he has said in this documentary totally wrong or?? He said I can't say that for sure So now I ask you Is Michael Moore wrong in every thing he says in his own movie(9/11)? Markus

03-17-08, 07:49 PM	#2
Frau_Phillips Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2007 Location: The wrong side of the ocean Posts: 122 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't like the people who villify Bush or people like him. Moore and critics like him act like the President is a bad person. I'm not a fan of President Bush. But I have no right to say he's a bad person, or a stupid or corrupt person. All I have the right to do is to criticize decisions that I don't agree with. If Moore would be a little more tactful, more people would listen to him and respect what he has to say. The way to present something that you believe strongly and want other people to understand is not through insults, jokes, and sarcasm. __________________

03-17-08, 08:01 PM	#3
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Too loud and brash for me. It doesn't make him look interllectually serious. He is highly polarizing amongst the impressionable. Is he right or wrong? I can't answer that with any degree of certainty because it is controversial. Anyway, it is ideas that are right or wrong, not people. I could offer my own opinions, but they would be just that. I could offer rational argument for or against him, but that would be unoriginal and dull much as he is. Anything else I could say would just be rhetoric. In short: To ask if he is right or wrong is a duff question. I think he is loud, dull, and unoriginal poloriseing. __________________

03-17-08, 09:24 PM	#8
Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	You should watch this movie. http://zeitgeistmovie.com/ Beginning is rough it takes off after the second part and third is the best! __________________

03-17-08, 07:53 PM	#4
The WosMan Watch Officer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: OH Posts: 332 Downloads: 88 Uploads: 0	Moore is hated simply because he is a dishonest director. Now if he went out there and said, "hey this is all a joke" no problem but he doesn't. I have a very good book written by David Hardy (someone I know personally) who does an excellent job of tearing Moore and his "facts" apart piece by piece and proving that Moore is nothing but a giant fraud (like most mega-wealthy liberals are).

03-17-08, 09:02 PM	#6
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,540 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	On a danish debate I wrote this "Yes you can hate a person or his personality whatever he's right or not-you just can't stand his gust you, just hate him. so whatever this person say is a lie/wrong." And what do I mean about this? Well I don't like Moore more than most of you do. BUT I do have so much behave that I can say to my self Is he wrong or is he right about those thing he said in the movie? What's wrong and what's right If everything is wrong, then he should be accused of insult(or what the english term is for that) If he's right all the way or some of it(don't how much of it, is true) then Some of the government should face a court. Markus

03-17-08, 09:11 PM	#7
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Personaly i dont like Moore any more than I like Bush, at times it feels like they are the diferent sides of the same coin. Anyway I havent bothered to watch his 9/11 doc, but like his other works it probably has soe truth to it, if only by accident, and rest is just horse****.

03-17-08, 09:26 PM	#9
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Well, Bush is a corrupt person. He's put more things into law that violate our rights as citizens than the number of calories Michael Moore consumes every day. This anti-terrorist act that allows him to listen into our phone calls is a violation to freedom of speech and the right to privacy, and this Internet one that he's signed on is just the same. Anytime you type in something like "terrorist" or "bomb" on an Internet form, a tracker records the link and can take you right to the site. It can tell you who posted it, the time, their IP address, you name it. It gives you the works. More and more, I feel like singing "Die Fahne Hoch!" rather than "My Country 'Tis of Thee". It's getting that bad. Our country is sinking extremely quickly. We can either abandon ship, get on the bandwagon, or go down with the ship. Personally, I'll probably abandon ship if it gets totally out of control (in which case, I will sing "Nearer My God To Thee" and skip the other two). This pretty much sums up our situation (just change the name of the vessel to the USS America, lol):