Merged: trouble brewing in kosovo...

[Steel_Tomb]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/200803...a-43a8d4f.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7300015.stm

A sign of things to come?

[SUBMAN1]

NATO should pull out of Kosovo and let them deal with their internal issues. Its not like they are going to be a threat to their neighbors, which I consider to be one of the only excuses for NATO involvement in the first place. To have them deal with their own problems will heal a wound that cannot be healed any other way. To stay is to leave that wound permanantly open and viloence like this will be common place unless NATO leaves.

It will probably get ugly after the leave, but in time, get better again. Only time and a hands off approach can fix this.

Its kind of like Americas Civil war. You can't fix it any other way. Imagine if the English stepped in and stopped us from what needed to be done? The problem would never have been fixed, and there would still be violence today.

-S

[Steel_Tomb]

I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

Because it is not needed here at all. No one is building a bomb. No one defied their ceasefire orders. No one is blowing up the London bridge. This is an internal strife that cannot be fixed with NATO troops - ever.

And last I checked, the Albanians can handle themselves just fine against the Serbs. WHat needs to happen is to work themselves to a stalemate, and then eventual ceasefire. Then the stone throwing will stop. Or one must overtake the other, and again, it will stop. Until this happens, there will be no peace.

-S

[August]

So when is Elite leaving for Belgrade?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Originally Posted by August

So when is Elite leaving for Belgrade?

at this rate very soon...

yes please, get out and dont come back, this is Serbia and Russias Problem, we will fix it..

[Steel_Tomb]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Because it is not needed here at all. No one is building a bomb. No one defied their ceasefire orders. No one is blowing up the London bridge. This is an internal strife that cannot be fixed with NATO troops - ever.

And last I checked, the Albanians can handle themselves just fine against the Serbs. WHat needs to happen is to work themselves to a stalemate, and then eventual ceasefire. Then the stone throwing will stop. Or one must overtake the other, and again, it will stop. Until this happens, there will be no peace.

-S

With respect, how do you know there will be peace? We don't know what will happen, I fear there would be much bloodshed in the region if K-FOR pulled out of Kosovo. The troops there aren't to stop terrorists making bombs, or to seek out Islamic extremists, they are there as peacekeepers. Therefore they should stay and do there job, to keep the peace as best they can. I hope with dialouge and negotiations the ethnic differences can be settled without the use of force.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

With respect, how do you know there will be peace?...

There won't be till they fight it out, so now you know. It is something they simply must do. What is almost kind of funny is that NATO thinks they can do something about it.

-S

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

you obviously dont read your biased news these days

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7300015.stm

It also coincides with the fourth anniversary of rioting in Mitrovica by Kosovo Albanians which drove some 4,000 people, mainly Serbs, from their homes, and left at least 19 people dead, according to UN figures.

open your eyes....

fyi this riot didnt kill any UN police .... only injured..

"The rioters who have used Molotov cocktails, grenades and possible automatic weapons fire have gravely violated the law," well thats a start..

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

you obviously dont read your biased news these days

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7300015.stm

open your eyes....

fyi this riot didnt kill any UN police .... only injured..

"The rioters who have used Molotov cocktails, grenades and possible automatic weapons fire have gravely violated the law," well thats a start..

Elite have you ever heard what Ghandi said about 'an eye for an eye'?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Riots, Death, Destruction, Miffed population.


I know where I'm going for my holidays next year!

[Kapitan_Phillips]

*waits for elite_hunter*

[elite_hunter_sh3]

What Happened to Kosovo Serbs Kidnapped by KLA?



Quote:
The much discussed Carla del Ponte's book "The Hunt" offers a harrowing detail, revealing why have Serbian men been kidnapped throughout Kosovo province during past years instead of being killed on the spot, as is the usual KLA treatment for all non-Albanians, especially those of Serbian ethnicity: because they were used as a livestock for organ harvesting in the illegal trade with human organ transplants.

According to Glas Javnosti, writing about one of the failed investigations regarding the fate of around 300 abducted Kosovo Serbs who were taken to northern Albania, Del Ponte says that the kidnapped young men were not beaten and were well fed. There was an improvised surgery room in one of the houses, where young Serbs had their internal organs removed to be shipped over the Tirana airport "Mother Teresa" abroad, where the organs of the healthy young Serbs were sold.

The victims who had only one kidney removed during the first carve-up were sutured and returned to imprisonment, to live until they would get killed for their other vital organs, when the right buyer is found. According to Carla del Ponte, the Serbs held in this monstrous human stable Josef Mengele would envy, begged to be killed.
http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2...ing-truth.html


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Die griechische Staatsanwaltschaft hat Ermittlungen im Zusammenhang mit illegalen Organtransplantationen aufgenommen. Die Spuren der verdächtigten Bande führten nach Albanien, Griechenland und Italien, teilte die Behörde mit.

Illegale Organtransplantationen sind ein wachsendes Problem auch in Europa.
http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/meldung237872.html

my reaction to this would get me banned "due to language etc..." so yea...

[Steel_Tomb]

And how many Albanians were killed by the Serbs over the years... 6 of one and half dozen of the other mate... I don't agree with any of the terrorist organizations, but both sides asked for conflict. The other was just wasn't mature enough not to return the favor.

[Skybird]

It's something that happens not only on the Balkans, but in Asia and Africa as well, sometimes "voluntarily", sometimes not. I recall to have read Brazil seeing this problem, too.

Symptoms of a place that has seen too much brutality and "dehumanisation". Being exposed to brutal perceptions days and years long, brutalizes man's psyche and deadens his consiousness.

Not forgetting thousands and tens of thousands of open bills in that area.