Bin Laden translator held in secret for 6 months by CIA...

SUBMAN1 · 03-14-08, 03:56 PM

They must be getting close.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/st...4453407&page=1

-S

Platapus · 03-14-08, 08:18 PM

So a translator is a continued threat to the United States?

A source of information I can understand but what exactly can a translator threaten?

Is he going to conjugate some verbs or something?

"Everyone stand back. I have a dangling participle and I know how to use it!"

Jimbuna · 03-14-08, 08:31 PM

Let's hope it leads to the basums apprehension

sunvalleyslim · 03-15-08, 01:20 PM

every terrorist is a threat........if he spews forth fanatical hatred and wants all infidels dead then he indeed needs to be held.
I don't care about what people do in their lives, but if it effects me, my family, my country, or my way of life then I have a problem with you. Just let me live my life and you live yours. We're here on earth a very short time, I want to enjoy it as best I can. I don't need to worry that you want me dead.....and if thats the case then I will do my best to kill you first.......

Platapus · 03-15-08, 01:40 PM

The problem is that each side feels the same way. Each remembers some past injustice and each feels forced to take retaliatory action.

Terrorism is based on a foundation of defense. The terrorist leaders are telling their minions "look at what XXX did to us back in YYY! In order to preserve ZZZ, we must take action against XXX"

Whether this foundation is accurate is totally dependent on your perception. If you read the writings of UBL you will see references to past "injustices" committed by the US and other occidental countries. He uses his perception of past injustices to justify the need to take up arms against the "enemy".

Our perception is that his perception is not accurate.

Naturally we feel that our perception is right and we have amassed a whole bunch of facts that support our perception.

The funny thing is that UBL has done the same thing.

In my dealings in CT, I have never read any reports of any terrorist leader saying to his minions "here is country A. Country A has never done anything wrong or attacked us. I want some of you to sacrifice your life and attack them". Not the way to motivate troops.

It is always easier to motivate troops by framing the conflict in defensive terms

We (US and other occidental countries) cite past injustices (911 only being one) as justification for our being forced to take up arms against our enemies.

With each side truly feeling that they are responding defensively, there is little chance of ending the conflict peacefully nor of ending it diplomatically.

We can always take comfort in believing that we are right and they are wrong. What happens when they feel the same about us?

This is the tragic aspect of the so called GWOT. And one of the many many reasons it can't be "fought" like a traditional war. Killing them and bombing cities will not make them back down but will further motivate them. Our strategic planners are still fighting the last war it seems.

SUBMAN1 · 03-15-08, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

So a translator is a continued threat to the United States?

A source of information I can understand but what exactly can a translator threaten?

Is he going to conjugate some verbs or something?

"Everyone stand back. I have a dangling participle and I know how to use it!"

Would you say the same about Bin Laden? There is no difference here.

-S

Platapus · 03-15-08, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

So a translator is a continued threat to the United States?

A source of information I can understand but what exactly can a translator threaten?

Is he going to conjugate some verbs or something?

"Everyone stand back. I have a dangling participle and I know how to use it!"

Would you say the same about Bin Laden? There is no difference here.

-S

Only if you consider the White House press secretary to have the same authority of the President?

What's the difference?

One is a leader, the other is a talking-dog

sonar732 · 03-15-08, 05:53 PM

The fact of the matter is the he was a very close associate to Bin Laden who even helped him in the Torra Borra escape. You can poke fun about this all you want Platapus, but we have gathered good intel from people lower on the tottem pole than him...so imagine what we probably got from his info.

Platapus · 03-15-08, 06:08 PM

If you read my original post I acknowledged that he would be a good information source.

I was just questioning the labeling a translator as a continued threat to the United States.

As I see it, the only threat he can be is if he is allowed to tell the rest of the world about the treatment he received when held as a secret political prisoner.

In any case, I agree that he can be a source of information (although after six months of torture..uh.. I mean enhanced interrogation, I wonder how much he even remembers)

But a continued threat to the United States interests?

Seems a bit much for a talking dog and "gopher"

How about we promote him from gopher to super secret cell leader so we can claim that we captured yet another "high level AQ leader" and hand out more awards?

Win win situtation

(corrected typo)

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	So a translator is a continued threat to the United States? A source of information I can understand but what exactly can a translator threaten? Is he going to conjugate some verbs or something? "Everyone stand back. I have a dangling participle and I know how to use it!" __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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sunvalleyslim Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 1,142 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	every terrorist is a threat........if he spews forth fanatical hatred and wants all infidels dead then he indeed needs to be held. I don't care about what people do in their lives, but if it effects me, my family, my country, or my way of life then I have a problem with you. Just let me live my life and you live yours. We're here on earth a very short time, I want to enjoy it as best I can. I don't need to worry that you want me dead.....and if thats the case then I will do my best to kill you first....... __________________ Crew member/ decommission member TM2(SS)(SD) 3/68-7/70 DIESEL BOATS FOREVER USS SEGUNDO (SS398)

03-15-08, 01:40 PM	#5
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	The problem is that each side feels the same way. Each remembers some past injustice and each feels forced to take retaliatory action. Terrorism is based on a foundation of defense. The terrorist leaders are telling their minions "look at what XXX did to us back in YYY! In order to preserve ZZZ, we must take action against XXX" Whether this foundation is accurate is totally dependent on your perception. If you read the writings of UBL you will see references to past "injustices" committed by the US and other occidental countries. He uses his perception of past injustices to justify the need to take up arms against the "enemy". Our perception is that his perception is not accurate. Naturally we feel that our perception is right and we have amassed a whole bunch of facts that support our perception. The funny thing is that UBL has done the same thing. In my dealings in CT, I have never read any reports of any terrorist leader saying to his minions "here is country A. Country A has never done anything wrong or attacked us. I want some of you to sacrifice your life and attack them". Not the way to motivate troops. It is always easier to motivate troops by framing the conflict in defensive terms We (US and other occidental countries) cite past injustices (911 only being one) as justification for our being forced to take up arms against our enemies. With each side truly feeling that they are responding defensively, there is little chance of ending the conflict peacefully nor of ending it diplomatically. We can always take comfort in believing that we are right and they are wrong. What happens when they feel the same about us? This is the tragic aspect of the so called GWOT. And one of the many many reasons it can't be "fought" like a traditional war. Killing them and bombing cities will not make them back down but will further motivate them. Our strategic planners are still fighting the last war it seems. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

03-15-08, 05:53 PM	#8
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	The fact of the matter is the he was a very close associate to Bin Laden who even helped him in the Torra Borra escape. You can poke fun about this all you want Platapus, but we have gathered good intel from people lower on the tottem pole than him...so imagine what we probably got from his info.

03-15-08, 06:08 PM	#9
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	If you read my original post I acknowledged that he would be a good information source. I was just questioning the labeling a translator as a continued threat to the United States. As I see it, the only threat he can be is if he is allowed to tell the rest of the world about the treatment he received when held as a secret political prisoner. In any case, I agree that he can be a source of information (although after six months of torture..uh.. I mean enhanced interrogation, I wonder how much he even remembers) But a continued threat to the United States interests? Seems a bit much for a talking dog and "gopher" How about we promote him from gopher to super secret cell leader so we can claim that we captured yet another "high level AQ leader" and hand out more awards? Win win situtation (corrected typo) __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right. Last edited by Platapus; 03-15-08 at 10:28 PM.