Sinking "Neutral" Ships, GWX 2.0

the.terrabyte.pirate · 03-07-08, 09:31 AM

So I'm leading my merry band out on our first patrol. Travelling through AN32 we pick up a hydrophone merchant contact. So far they've been our own ships, or neutral vessels lit up like a christmas tree. The problem is that on closer inspection we discover that the ship is Danish. The date is currently September 7, 1939. According to my flag recognition chart, Germany shouldn't be at war with Denmark until 1940.

The interesting thing is that the ship was not behaving like the neutral vessel it should be. There are no running lights on the ship, and no spotlights illuminating the flag. :hmm:

Being the suspicious fellow that I am, and possibly a bit greedy for renown and promotions, I immediately assume it's a treacherous Danish plot, an act of war no less, and stick two fish into her

. I figured that if she didn't want to be torped, she should have been a bit more obvious about her neutrality.

Will I be punished when I get back to port?

Does GWX 2.0 recognise the change of a country's status from neutral to participant, and change the running lights/spotlights on their vessels, or will I be running across blacked out ships belonging to countries that I am not yet at war with?

3Jane · 03-07-08, 09:35 AM

You can check the dates of thier neutrality on the 'flags' sheet in the UZO.

the.terrabyte.pirate · 03-07-08, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 3Jane

You can check the dates of thier neutrality on the 'flags' sheet in the UZO.

I did... Denmark joins the allies in 1940... in 1939 it was neutral... so why wasn't it lit up like it was neutral?

Sailor Steve · 03-07-08, 01:16 PM

Because not every ship acts the same way all the time. You, as captain, actually need to look at the flag and check the status.

And exactly what 'bubble' was Hanomag floating in that needed bursting? He was only trying to help.

Kptlt. Siegmann · 03-07-08, 01:28 PM

I had that problem early on in my previous career when attacking a convoy. I'd look at the flags and see British flags on most of them, so alright, they're all British!

Of course one of the ships I sink happens to be neutral...gotta be looking for solid identification before attack. I learned that the hard way.

Hanomag · 03-07-08, 04:23 PM

Thanks Steve, I did feel kinda torpedoed by that comment. :hmm:

Talk about sinking neutrals..sheesh!

Hanomag · 03-07-08, 09:36 AM

1st ..Welcome Aboard Kaluen!!!

Sinking neutral ships. Neutral ships will cost you the same renown amount that you would earn for sinking the equivalent enemy ship. Armed neutral ships will also begin firing on you. As with sinking friendly ships, sinking neutrals can lead to the end of your career in the Kriegsmarine.

right from the community manual.... watch your eels Herr Kaluen

the.terrabyte.pirate · 03-07-08, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanomag

1st ..Welcome Aboard Kaluen!!!

Sinking neutral ships. Neutral ships will cost you the same renown amount that you would earn for sinking the equivalent enemy ship. Armed neutral ships will also begin firing on you. As with sinking friendly ships, sinking neutrals can lead to the end of your career in the Kriegsmarine.

right from the community manual.... watch your eels Herr Kaluen

Hate to burst your bubble, but the community manual seems to be no longer around. I've been looking for a few weeks.

The thing it... it wasn't acting neutral... isn't acting suspicious an act of war? Doesn't it deserve a one way trip south?

Jimbuna · 03-11-08, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by the.terrabyte.pirate

Does GWX 2.0 recognise the change of a country's status from neutral to participant, and change the running lights/spotlights on their vessels, or will I be running across blacked out ships belonging to countries that I am not yet at war with?

Yes...ships are scripted to join and leave the SH3 world at what we consider historically accurate times.

Be advised.....at the beginning of the war, those that are lit are neutral.

However, there are those sailing around the oceans that whilst being neutral, are not lit.

@Steve

Don't be bashful

BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!!....SINK EM ALL!!

Danelov · 03-17-08, 07:59 AM

In reality SH-3 is very strict in this point, many neutrals were attacked by U-Boots and some of this nations pay a very high price. Sweden considered as neutral, loss alone 88 merchants by U-Boots; also true is many Swedish ships were sailing with British convoys, but other not.The two first victims of Luth with U-9 were two Swedish ships.Also, the position of the Swedish neutrality was quite complexe as see from the Axe side(remember the "Gotland" sight reports of "Bismarck").In some situations the sink of neutral ships by U-Boots had taked disastrous consequences for Germany: incautation of all interned German merchants in the ports of the neutral victim country, incautation of all German capitals,interes in the country and sometimes, a undesired declaration of war, like Brazil in August 1942, a wonderfull oportunity for the Allied to deploy in this hugue land, several bases and improved a lot the control and coverture ASW in the South Atlantic.

Kipparikalle · 03-17-08, 10:15 AM

If you see a neutral, just say nicely hi to them, ask how's it going and nice things like that.

But oh boy you're so screw'd if you sink ship sailing under Finnish Flag.

03-07-08, 09:31 AM	#1
the.terrabyte.pirate Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 176 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Sinking "Neutral" Ships, GWX 2.0 So I'm leading my merry band out on our first patrol. Travelling through AN32 we pick up a hydrophone merchant contact. So far they've been our own ships, or neutral vessels lit up like a christmas tree. The problem is that on closer inspection we discover that the ship is Danish. The date is currently September 7, 1939. According to my flag recognition chart, Germany shouldn't be at war with Denmark until 1940. The interesting thing is that the ship was not behaving like the neutral vessel it should be. There are no running lights on the ship, and no spotlights illuminating the flag. :hmm: Being the suspicious fellow that I am, and possibly a bit greedy for renown and promotions, I immediately assume it's a treacherous Danish plot, an act of war no less, and stick two fish into her. I figured that if she didn't want to be torped, she should have been a bit more obvious about her neutrality. Will I be punished when I get back to port? Does GWX 2.0 recognise the change of a country's status from neutral to participant, and change the running lights/spotlights on their vessels, or will I be running across blacked out ships belonging to countries that I am not yet at war with? __________________ A kings ransom, or a stove boat.

03-07-08, 09:35 AM	#2
3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You can check the dates of thier neutrality on the 'flags' sheet in the UZO. __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)

03-07-08, 01:16 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Because not every ship acts the same way all the time. You, as captain, actually need to look at the flag and check the status. And exactly what 'bubble' was Hanomag floating in that needed bursting? He was only trying to help. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-07-08, 04:23 PM	#6
Hanomag Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LI NY Posts: 964 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Thanks Steve, I did feel kinda torpedoed by that comment. :hmm: Talk about sinking neutrals..sheesh! __________________ "Only if I can save first..."

03-07-08, 09:36 AM	#7
Hanomag Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LI NY Posts: 964 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	1st ..Welcome Aboard Kaluen!!! Sinking neutral ships. Neutral ships will cost you the same renown amount that you would earn for sinking the equivalent enemy ship. Armed neutral ships will also begin firing on you. As with sinking friendly ships, sinking neutrals can lead to the end of your career in the Kriegsmarine. right from the community manual.... watch your eels Herr Kaluen __________________ "Only if I can save first..."

03-07-08, 01:28 PM	#5
Kptlt. Siegmann Machinist's Mate Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Docked at Kiel Posts: 128 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	I had that problem early on in my previous career when attacking a convoy. I'd look at the flags and see British flags on most of them, so alright, they're all British! Of course one of the ships I sink happens to be neutral...gotta be looking for solid identification before attack. I learned that the hard way.

03-17-08, 07:59 AM	#10
Danelov Gunner Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 94 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	In reality SH-3 is very strict in this point, many neutrals were attacked by U-Boots and some of this nations pay a very high price. Sweden considered as neutral, loss alone 88 merchants by U-Boots; also true is many Swedish ships were sailing with British convoys, but other not.The two first victims of Luth with U-9 were two Swedish ships.Also, the position of the Swedish neutrality was quite complexe as see from the Axe side(remember the "Gotland" sight reports of "Bismarck").In some situations the sink of neutral ships by U-Boots had taked disastrous consequences for Germany: incautation of all interned German merchants in the ports of the neutral victim country, incautation of all German capitals,interes in the country and sometimes, a undesired declaration of war, like Brazil in August 1942, a wonderfull oportunity for the Allied to deploy in this hugue land, several bases and improved a lot the control and coverture ASW in the South Atlantic.

03-17-08, 10:15 AM	#11
Kipparikalle Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 580 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	If you see a neutral, just say nicely hi to them, ask how's it going and nice things like that. But oh boy you're so screw'd if you sink ship sailing under Finnish Flag.