Pacific Storm: Allies

[Xypher]

This game reminds me a lot of a old super nentendo game, PTO 2 i think it was called. but with bigger real time booms.

PSA is pretty damn cool, but there is a lot of managment to do, A LOT and it takes some getting used to all the ins and outs for supply and demand of troops,fuel and ammo.

The only thing i would really want to see done diffrently is the ship customization. kind of like... Navy ops? just being able to make my own steel monsters from scratch would have me NEVER putting this game down.

[Travis Reed]

You should try the PS2 version of PTO (it's called PTO4). I was hoping to find something like it for PC and haven't yet, but PS and PSA are the closest I've found so far... And yes, I hate the micromanagement. I usually leave all my bases on AI control to keep from having to deal with the day to day stuff.

Just not enough options for creating my own ships (no one can top my battleships in PTO4 for sheer firepower and durability, and my carriers aren't bad either)

[Xypher]

PTO 4 was a good game in some respects. the customability was good, but there was horrible pathfinding issues. the planes look like flying soap boxes. And for some reason subs are the most godlike weapon out there. At least the german ones are, all i needed was 5 subs to every base and they could sink any fleet. but being able to fight over the whole map of the war was pretty cool.


Navy ops is funner, but the whole teching up to lasers and missles stuff ruins it for me. but being able to put whatever the hell you please on a ship is awesome. Three 3 turrets with 3X 18' on bow and stern firing broadside all at once. that ship should tip its self over! that games one flaw was its missions and the whole sailing it alone thing.

[Galanti]

What's the deal with PS:A? From what I can gather, it was released in Europe earlier this year, to somewhat mixed reviews. Is it being re-released in North America this month? Is this a patched-up version, or was the European one more of a beta?

I'm actually looking forward to this one. I played the original Grigsby WITP years ago, eagerly purched the Matrix revamp when it was released, and then realized that at an average of ten minutes per 1 day turn, factoring in job, wife and maniacal 17-month-old son, I could perhaps finish it sometime between 2015 and 2025. At the expense of SH4. So I'm looking for a somewhat simpler fix for my Pacific theater strategy cravings.

For all the complaints I read about micromanagement, it can't possibly top WITP!

[Sonarman]

PTO IV and the entire "Naval Ops" line were actually released on the PC but only in Japan, so if your Japanese is good your in luck! I'm surprised that they actually translated the PS2 game and not the PC version as you'd think that it was by far the more profitable platform for strategy games, in the West at least.

AS far as PS Allies goes yes it is a patched version of the Euro release the UK release was screwed by the publisher's last minute decision to change the copy protection on the DVDs. A patch for the UK edition should be out any time now.

[CaptHawkeye]

Originally Posted by Xypher

PTO 4 was a good game in some respects. the customability was good, but there was horrible pathfinding issues. the planes look like flying soap boxes. And for some reason subs are the most godlike weapon out there. At least the german ones are, all i needed was 5 subs to every base and they could sink any fleet. but being able to fight over the whole map of the war was pretty cool.

It might have been that torpedoes were just overpowered weapons. Two Japanese light cruisers were able to kill two of my Colorado Class BBs in a slug out with torpedoes. Which are somehow amazingly accurate and have massive spamability.

I thought PS's strategic mode was pretty good if somewhat annoying and unintuitive. PTO's strategy map was better generally. But both games had ****ty tactical combat. And PS's direct unit control is absolutely worthless. I had to take a break and stop playing when I saw they treated ship control. They don't turn on the stern, they turn via an arbitrary point in the center of the hull. So you've got battleships that can parrallel park.

I might not mind this stuff as much if it wasn't badly broken and bug ridden.

[ajime]

Originally Posted by CaptHawkeye

It might have been that torpedoes were just overpowered weapons. Two Japanese light cruisers were able to kill two of my Colorado Class BBs in a slug out with torpedoes. Which are somehow amazingly accurate and have massive spamability.

I thought PS's strategic mode was pretty good if somewhat annoying and unintuitive. PTO's strategy map was better generally. But both games had ****ty tactical combat. And PS's direct unit control is absolutely worthless. I had to take a break and stop playing when I saw they treated ship control. They don't turn on the stern, they turn via an arbitrary point in the center of the hull. So you've got battleships that can parrallel park.

I might not mind this stuff as much if it wasn't badly broken and bug ridden.

I could care less about the parallel parking. The concept is great and much have been done to enhance its functionality but there is a serious game stability problems which I think is much worse then its previous PS. I could easily win and avoid known bugs on the original PS but its almost impossible to analyze the CTD's on PSA. I guess I'll just have to wait another year before they make a fix for it...shame for a good game.

[rtheriaque]

Trying to find a comprehensive list of units added to Allies is proving quite frustrating...

[GlobalExplorer]

Couldnt this be an alternative?

http://www.matrixgames.com/games/game.asp?gid=351

Admirals (Addon) is still in development but the first version got very good reviews.

Gameplay seems to be what PS promised but not delivers and screenshots look good too imo though max resolution 1024*768 sucks a bit.

ftp://ftp.matrixgames.com/pub/WarInT...EPreview13.jpg

ftp://ftp.matrixgames.com/pub/WarInT...AEPreview7.jpg

[timetraveller]

Originally Posted by rtheriaque

Trying to find a comprehensive list of units added to Allies is proving quite frustrating...

I wrote the 3rd party mission editor for Allies. I'm into PS for the tactical aspect of it. With the editor you can set up any WW2 scenario you want, and play it out in 3D.

Here is the comprehensive list of all units available in Allies:

[USA_SHIP]
Baltimor CA
Benson DD
Casablanca CVE
Clivlend CL
Colorado BB
Elco Torpedo Boat
Essex CV
Evarts DE
Fletcher DD
Gato Submarine
Iowa BB
LCT5 Transport
Lexington CV
Liberty Transport
Simarron Tanker

[USA_AIR]
A-20 Medium Bomber
B-17 Heavy Bomber
B-24 Heavy Bomber
B-24-T Air Transport
B-25-AT Medium Bomber (attack)
B-25-BM Medium Bomber
B-29 Heavy Bomber
F2A2 SB Fighter
F2A3 SB Fighter
F4F SB Fighter
F4U SB Fighter
F5U SB Fighter
F6F SB Fighter
F8F SB Fighter
F8F2 SB Fighter
OS2U Catapult Scout
P-38 Fighter
P-39 Fighter
P-40 Fighter
P-47 Fighter
P-51 Fighter
P-80 Fighter
PBY Scout Hydroplane
PBY-T Transport Hydroplane
SB2C SB Dive Bomber
SBD SB Dive Bomber
TBD SB Torpedo Bomber
TBF SB Torpedo Bomber
Ventura Medium Bomber (PV-1)

[JAP_SHIP]
Agano CL
Akagi CV
Akizuki DD
Daihatsu Transport
Hokoku Transport
I58 Submarine
I400 Submarine
Kagero DD
Kaiten Manned Torpedo
Kazahaia Tanker
Mogami CA
Myoko CA
Nagato BB
Otsu-Gata Torpedo Boat
Shimushu DE
Taiho CV
Yamato BB
Zuikaku CV

[JAP_AIR]
A5M4 Fighter Claude
A6M Fighter Zeke (Zero)
A7M SB Fighter Sam
B5N SB Torpedo Bomber Kate
B7A SB Torpedo Bomber Grace
D3A SB Dive Bomber Val
D4Y SB Dive Bomber Judy
F1M Catapult Scout Pete
G4M Medium Bomber Betty
G4M-T Air Transport Betty
G8N Heavy Bomber Rita
G10N Heavy Bomber
H8K Scout Hydroplane Emily
H8K2B Transport Hydroplane Emily
J7WJ Fighter
J7WP Fighter
Ki-21 Medium Bomber Sally
Ki-43 Fighter Oscar
Ki-61 Fighter Tony
Ki-67 Medium Bomber Peggy
Ki-84 Fighter Frank
Ki-96 Fighter
Ki-100 Fighter
Ki-100-1 Fighter
M6A Sub-based Seaplane (I400)
N1K-J Fighter George
P1Y Medium Bomber Frances
P1YS Fighter Frances

[BRITAIN_SHIP]
Canonesa Transport
Dorsetshire CA
Eclipse DD
Fiji CL
Hood BB
Hunt DE
Illustrious CV
KingGeorgV BB
MTB Torpedo Boat
Tempest Submarine
Tribal DD
Sildra Tanker

[BRITAIN_AIR]
Barracuda2 SB Dive Bomber
Beaufighter Medium Bomber
Blenheim4 Medium Bomber
F2A2_ENG SB Fighter
Huric2c Fighter
LancasterB1 Heavy Bomber
Lancaster-T Air Transport
PBY_ENG Scout Hydroplane
PBY_ENG-T Transport Hydroplane
SeaFire SB Fighter
SeaFuryFB11 SB Fighter
SeaHuric2c SB Fighter
Spit5c Fighter
Swordfish2 SB Torpedo Bomber
TBF_ENG SB Torpedo Bomber
VampirFB9 Fighter
Ventura_ENG Medium Bomber (PV-1)
Walrus Catapult Scout

[GERMANY_SHIP]
Bismarck BB (Battlecruiser)
Kormoran Transport
Narvick DD
Nordmark Tanker
S1939_40C Torpedo Boat
U-Boat7 Submarine

[GERMANY_AIR]
Ar196 Catapult Scout
Ar234 Medium Bomber
Bf109G10 Fighter
FW190A3 Fighter
Ju87D Dive Bomber
Ju88A4 Medium Bomber

[NETHERLANDS_SHIP]
Amsterdam Tanker
DeReutar CL
TM Torpedo Boat
Zaandam Transport

[NETHERLANDS_AIR]
F2A2_HL SB Fighter
FokkerD21 Fighter
OS2U_HL Catapult Scout

[USSR_SHIP]
Cruiser26bis CA Kirov Maxim Gorky
Komsomol Transport
Krasnodar Tanker Azerbaijan
PikeV Sch Type Submarine
TK Torpedo Boat

[USSR_AIR]
A-20_USSR Medium Bomber
I16t24 Fighter
Il2 Medium Bomber
Il4 Heavy Bomber
La5FN Fighter
OS2U_USSR Catapult Scout
PBY_USSR Scout Hydroplane
Spit5b Fighter
Yak3 Fighter
Yak9T Fighter

[NiclDoe]

*drools* OMG this is going to be great becuase im getting it becuase of all these new units. Must get

[timetraveller]

Originally Posted by NiclDoe

*drools* OMG this is going to be great becuase im getting it becuase of all these new units. Must get

I've been into PS and PS Allies (I have the UK version) since they came out. All I ever do is the 3D tactical end of it. Some day I might get into the strategic part....

With the game editor or my editor (particularly my editor), you can set up scenarios as you wish, with whatever units you wish, then play out the battle. Can't say the AI in game is always the greatest, but the battles are a sight to behold, with all the activity and fireworks.. The game is highly moddable too if you're in to that. You can control all units too. Remember the game Fighting Steel? With the editors, the tactical part of this game is Fighting Steel x10 in fun, modernized.

TT

[NiclDoe]

Ya i remember that game. I now must get PSA and now your editor for Bismarck killing sprees. i will kill the US and UK with my undeafeatbale Jap Navy with the Russians, Germany, and Netherlands at my side.

[Doomgiver]

does PSA require PS to install or is it a seperate game and sorry for the noob question and i prefer Warship Gunner 2 over Naval Ops just because it has a better system my super battle carrier can destroyer anything with its 2 80 cm guns and a wave gun

[Raptor1]

You don't need PS to install PSA :p