My guess as to why we had 8 years of GW Bush

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/ne...ging_elections

Reminds me of Nixon and his "Dirty Tricks" department.

In his hilarious-yet-disgusting political memoir "How to Rig An Election," former GOP operative Allen Raymond and ghostwriter Ian Spiegelman lay bare his role in the Republicans' 2002 Election Day scheme to jam the get-out-the-vote phone lines run by the New Hampshire Democrats and some local firefighters.

Before anyone qualifies this is "some liberal clap-trap", be reminded that his guy worked directly FOR the Republic Party.

Raymond consulted lawyers about the phone-jamming scheme and as soon as they informed him that the clearly unethical act wasn't illegal, he quickly hired an Idaho phone-banking firm for the job. After unleashing 800 calls in one hour on the Democratic phone banks on Election Day -- a kind of denial-of-service attack, he received a frantic phone call from McGee himself urging him to stop the jamming because McGee had discovered that it was illegal

For me, this nails it to the wall:

Aside from these brutally frank assessments, Raymond's message is ultimately earnest: He tells Americans that the reason they got stuck with two terms of President Bush's megalomaniac administration is because "election operatives like myself and the kind of politicians who hire us have ensured that idealists can't win elections."

My mom (a dyed-in-the-wool Republican) thinks Democrats may be underhanded, but for me, Republicans ain't quite so clean, either. Personally, I'm not much of a fan of either group. At least, this explains why Bush won twice by little more than the skin of his teeth (first in Florida, and re-election in Ohio, both of which had to be counted multiple times).

Maybe I should run for President of the Galaxy again.......
At least, I know what's going on.

[SUBMAN1]

The answer is simple why we had 8 years of G W Bush - he was the best man for the job given the alternatives.

-S

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

The answer is simple why we had 8 years of G W Bush - he was the best man for the job given the alternatives.

-S

That was your vote. Not mine.

[SUBMAN1]

Yep I voted for him - twice. Could you imagine how screwed up we would be with Kerry in office? 'nuff said!

-S

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Yep I voted for him - twice. Could you imagine how screwed up we would be with Kerry in office? 'nuff said!

-S

Or the off-balanced Gore for that matter from the 2000 election. Yikes!

George Bush might not be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but the Democrats just can't give us anything better. The American people even have a higher approval of Bush than they do of our failed do-nothing Democrat Congress.

[Ducimus]

My personal opinion - Bush got re elected because we were to chickens**t to vote in some new pile of horse manuere. I remember the debates, and one line of bush struck home to me. Went something along the lines of, "at least with me you know what your getting". That, and toss in the evangelical fundies who vote from the pulpit and not from any real world sense of logic or reasoning.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

That was your vote. Not mine.

I vote we burn SUBMAN at the stake...

The man would not have done the best job. What's he done for us that's so great?

He's gotten us in a war that's claimed the lives of 3,500 people and 23,000 limbs (not to mention the 356,000 Iraqi's he's gotten killed), he's damaged our relationships with other countries, he's violated the Constitution, he's stirred up the Middle-East, he's lied over and over again, he's driving the economy into the ground (recession may already be here, it's hard to tell from our poor status), he's removing the middle class from society, he's sparked agression towards us Middle-Easterners (ALL of us; I can hardly get on a plane without having a security guard giving me a look; intolerant bastards), he's possibly going to start ANOTHER war (with Iran...), he's cut our education system's budget (3 BILLION dollars that could have gone to education was sent to Iraq; 1 MILLION was sent to the education system), he's reduced our dollar's value (an object that costs 36.99 POUNDS costs roughly $75.00 American), he's raised taxes, he's bashed the stock market to pieces (as has he the real estate market), he's violating our rights (wiretapping schemes and also his Internet tracking programs), and this list goes on and on!

For ****'s sake! How is that doing the best job anyone could have done?! Hell, a damned ape is better than this man! And that's an insult to apes! They're smarter than this stubborn jackass could ever hope to be!

By the way, you know that the government reads posts like these on Internet forums, right? Anytime someone makes a post like I have (questioning the president), they make note of it. I used to work for AT&T, and it hasn't changed a bit.

EDIT:

The government also checks for searches you make. Anytime you type in something like "terrorist" or "bomb" or "Iran", they monitor it and you. That's how they work. They can read the time off your digital watch. If they wanted to, they could even topple Google with a few keys, a few disks, and a couple of parameters entered into a command box.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

I vote we burn SUBMAN at the stake...

The man would not have done the best job. What's he done for us that's so great?

He's gotten us in a war that's claimed the lives of 3,500 people and 23,000 limbs (not to mention the 356,000 Iraqi's he's gotten killed), he's damaged our relationships with other countries, he's violated the Constitution, he's stirred up the Middle-East, he's lied over and over again, he's driving the economy into the ground (recession may already be here, it's hard to tell from our poor status), he's removing the middle class from society, he's sparked agression towards us Middle-Easterners (ALL of us; I can hardly get on a plane without having a security guard giving me a look; intolerant bastards), he's possibly going to start ANOTHER war (with Iran...), he's cut our education system's budget (3 BILLION dollars that could have gone to education was sent to Iraq; 1 MILLION was sent to the education system), he's reduced our dollar's value (an object that costs 36.99 POUNDS costs roughly $75.00 American), he's raised taxes, he's bashed the stock market to pieces (as has he the real estate market), he's violating our rights (wiretapping schemes and also his Internet tracking programs), and this list goes on and on!

For ****'s sake! How is that doing the best job anyone could have done?! Hell, a damned ape is better than this man! And that's an insult to apes! They're smarter than this stubborn jackass could ever hope to be!

By the way, you know that the government reads posts like these on Internet forums, right? Anytime someone makes a post like I have (questioning the president), they make note of it. I used to work for AT&T, and it hasn't changed a bit.

EDIT:

The government also checks for searches you make. Anytime you type in something like "terrorist" or "bomb" or "Iran", they monitor it and you. That's how they work. They can read the time off your digital watch. If they wanted to, they could even topple Google with a few keys, a few disks, and a couple of parameters entered into a command box.

Only 3,500 dead? Thats great! Talk about almost no casualties for going to war! That is a drop in the bucket! To put it into comparrison, 9,300 US citizens die yearly at the hands of illegal aliens, so I wish he would spend some more time over here rounding them up and shipping them back to their pathetic countries.

-S

PS. That rest of your arguments don't hold salt. There is no proof on even one of them.

PPS. For watching you with Echelon and the such, that was already in place by Bush's first taking hold in office. You can thank Clinton for the warrantless wiretaps. Bush didn't start it. He just continued it. But you wouldn't know that since you fail to read enough news to know better.

[Stealth Hunter]

Star-spangled-banner-REPUBLICAN ye are.

Review:

Before Bush, almost every country's inhabitants liked the United States (polls show it). After Bush, hardly one like us (well, there's a couple, but not many).

Wiretapping and Internet monitoring IS a violation of the Constitution under Amendment 1 (Free Speech). Also note he started this war with Iraq WITHOUT Congress' approval (illegal in every respect).

Before we invaded Iraq, Saddam kept everything in line. He kept the terrorists out. After we invaded and took over, the terrorists began to move in. IF we leave, then this weak government that is in office at the moment will crumble, and it will become a terrorist nation (whereas Saddam prevented that... he was our closest ally).

I could pick from the list, but the one that always makes me chuckle is Iran's nuclear program. It's been inactive since 2003. That stubborn ass is just too arrogant to admit he made a mistake... if it was indeed one...

We've spent over a trillion dollars on the war, and we pour trillions into the economy to keep it in good shape. That's a fact (June 2007 had one case in which he put in 500 BILLION; CNN covered it).

Notice everything for the middle class is getting harder and harder to buy? The rich get rich and the poor get poorer. What people like our senators and president are after is money. They constantly give themselves raises while they hardly ever consider the working man. Without us, the US would be NOTHING but an empty spit of land sitting between Canada and Mexico.

Ever sit in an airport and watch the way guards behave to people who look foreign? That's not proof, but it does raise suspicion.

Lying about a country claiming it has nuclear weapons and then trying to deny that he ever said it. Yeah, that's REALLY convincing. Oh, here's a good one: "It doesn't make any difference if we made a mistake . . ." IT MAKES A HELL OF A LOT OF DIFFERENCE! You tell us Iran has nuclear weapons, we find out it doesn't, and you say it doesn't matter? Jesus Christ!

Once again, CNN covered how a PRESIDENTIAL order diverted 3 billion dollars from education to the war in Iraq. That was a few months ago (like November). He gave education a million dollars. Tell me where I lack proof.

http://www.dollars2pounds.com/
Need I say more?

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/30/...s-taxes-twice/
Two birds with one stone: taxes and lying.

Problems on the economy come from financial problems caused from spending billions upon billions on a senseless war.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi..._constitution/
Knocked down a couple birds with one stone there.



Care to continue?

EDIT:

Almost forgot to mention that according to him, the war is over... yet for some reason men keep dying due to terrorist activity...:hmm:

[Peto]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Only 3,500 dead? Thats great! Talk about almost no casualties for going to war! That is a drop in the bucket!

Tell that to my son who has to pick up pieces of his friends "no bigger that a hamburger" (his quote). Who has watched squad-mates die in a burning Humvee. Who has been twice wounded himself. And who has to face the reality of killing people.

That's Great? Support our troops you ain't.

Peto and Pissed

[Ducimus]

Personally, i won't put down Kerry and the other assorted candidates for one reason. Every choice, the whole thing, was one big, steaming pile, of red white and blue, bullsh*t. Would Kerry have done worse? (note its not a question of who'd had done better). I beleive that the truth is, the world will never know. Thats one reason why i think W got relected. We knew - or rather, had an idea - of what BS to expect from him. Kerry was a whole new pile of BS, and generally speaking, an unknown, and there wasnt anyway to tell if his BS would stink worse until we put it in the oval office.

In short - we go with what we know. In this modern day and age, we tend to reelect our presidents.

[Prof]

Originally Posted by Zayphod

At least, this explains why Bush won twice by little more than the skin of his teeth (first in Florida, and re-election in Ohio, both of which had to be counted multiple times).

Bush won because the Democrats couldn't get through on the phones to harrass people into voting for them? This is a bad thing because...?