Sinking lifeboats?

[Renesisfury]

Should you do it? Any negatives? I thought it would be a good excuse to keep myself sharp on AA.

[manucapo]

i did it once to try if it was possible
and then i felt kinda bad about it (i know its just a game) but shooting those guys in the lifeboat made me fell mean
i dont think there are any negatives
atleast not that i have observed

[tomoose]

....on whether you're trying to play realistically or not. U.S. and the other allies abided by the Geneva Convention (as did Germany and I believe Japan) ergo shooting of non-combatants (which includes survivors in a lifeboat) was/is considered a criminal act (aka: murder).

[FIREWALL]

If your interested in the game aspects and not the moral issues,
useing deckgun on lifeboats you will get 1 ton and no negitive renoun.

Why it was put in the game this way is anyone's guess.

[Renesisfury]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

If your interested in the game aspects and not the moral issues,
useing deckgun on lifeboats you will get 1 ton and no negitive renoun.
Why it was put in the game this way is anyone's guess.

Deck gun is too tough, AA is much better, esp. with the dual 20mm

[Gargantou]

Originally Posted by tomoose

....on whether you're trying to play realistically or not. U.S. and the other allies abided by the Geneva Convention (as did Germany and I believe Japan) ergo shooting of non-combatants (which includes survivors in a lifeboat) was/is considered a criminal act (aka: murder).

Yet a US submarine captain killed a ****load of lifeboats from a japanese ship he snuk, afterwards it turned out many of the people they killed were INDIAN P.O.W.s being transported by the Japanese, afaik the Captain NEVER ever faced charges for warcrimes etc for this occurence.

For sources, I can't remember, it was a post on this forum back when SH4 first came out..

Edit: After some searching I found it, http://www.pacificwrecks.com/ships/subs/SS-238.html

I quote.

The second target headed for her was Fukuei Maru #2. Wahoo fired two bow tubes "down the throat". The second torpedo hit, but Fukuei Maru #2 kept coming and forced the submarine forcing it a hard left turn full speed to avoid being rammed. Returning to periscope depth, Wahoo observed the first target had sunk, the second target was still moving, evidently with steering trouble; and the transport, Buyo Maru, was stopped but still afloat. Wahoo headed for the transport and fired a bow tube; the torpedo passed directly under the middle of the ship but failed to explode. She then fired another torpedo which headed right for the stack and blew her apart her midships. The submarine then headed for the crippled second target which had joined with a tanker. Wahoo let these two ships escape, while she surfaced to charge her batteries and destroy the estimated twenty lifeboats now in the water.

For your informatin, the Buyo Maru was transporting Indian P.O.W.s, and twice as many Indian P.O.Ws was killed as Japanese.

So, you still gonna claim that the US submarines abided by the Geneva Convention? What about the bombings of German cities during WW2? There were lots of civilian casualties there too, my end point is that in a worldwar, I doubt anyone truly gives a **** about the Geneva Convention, sad as it is.

[rrmelend]

They are good to practice using your AA gun on I guess but I wouldn't do it.

[biosthetique]

Wow!...And I thought the war was over!....Beats me!

[jazman]

Originally Posted by Gargantou

Yet a US submarine captain killed a ****load of lifeboats from a japanese ship he snuk, afterwards it turned out many of the people they killed were INDIAN P.O.W.s being transported by the Japanese, afaik the Captain NEVER ever faced charges for warcrimes etc for this occurence.

And to top it off, he's still on patrol in the sub service to this date! How does the Navy let him get away with this??

[Ducimus]

Personnaly, i dont waste my time on them one way or the other. Their just flotsam, although, i have often wondered if they count as AI units that can advertise your presence like other AI units.

[Doolittle81]

Originally Posted by jazman

...
And to top it off, he's still on patrol in the sub service to this date! How does the Navy let him get away with this??

I'm not sure what this means? He's "on patrol"???

[clayp]

Originally Posted by tomoose

....on whether you're trying to play realistically or not. U.S. and the other allies abided by the Geneva Convention (as did Germany and I believe Japan) ergo shooting of non-combatants (which includes survivors in a lifeboat) was/is considered a criminal act (aka: murder).

japan didnt abide by anything except their animalistic ways.....

[Doolittle81]

Originally Posted by tomoose

....on whether you're trying to play realistically or not. U.S. and the other allies abided by the Geneva Convention (as did Germany and I believe Japan) ergo shooting of non-combatants (which includes survivors in a lifeboat) was/is considered a criminal act (aka: murder).

My last post on this subject....these threads seldom result in anything positive...or at least minds/opinions are not substantially changed. I could be wrong.

Anyway, with regard to the tomoose post above, I believe there is very little evidence of Japan abiding by any provisions of the Geneva convention, whatsoever, in action/fact or in principle. Japan was not a signatory to the 1929 Geneva convention, though that does not excuse them for ignoring the principles, thereof.

I would suggest a more thorough reading of the Documentation provided via the link in Ducimus' post....specifically by those who profess moral equivalency or equivalency of scale between allied and Japanese 'war crimes'.

Given the inital thrust of this Thread, 'what to do about ship-sinking survivors', I would suggest that some of you might try downloading and enabling a sorta "Mod" I recently made. It's a simple substitution of a new INTRO movie, a sequence in which somewhat relates to the subject at hand. The movie swap can be done manually or via JSGME, totally reversible. You can even view it offline, so to speak, in WMP. Here's link to the thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=126447

[-Pv-]

I seem to recall in the Morton life boat incident he was fired on from one of the life boats before he opened fire on them. I've not yet felt compelled to fire on them. I'm more interested in clearing the area before help shows help.
I post this one day after Pearl Harbor day (if we want to rant on war crimes.)
-Pv-

[ssbn627g]

Originally Posted by tomoose

....on whether you're trying to play realistically or not. U.S. and the other allies abided by the Geneva Convention (as did Germany and I believe Japan) ergo shooting of non-combatants (which includes survivors in a lifeboat) was/is considered a criminal act (aka: murder).

Unless they are shooting at you, I.E. the 3rd or 4th patrol of Wahoo, where Mush Morton shot up the life boats that were shooting at them.