In Memoriam

tater · 12-07-07, 11:14 AM

tater

Ducimus · 12-07-07, 11:16 AM

You know, i totally forgot what day was today, other then it being a payday friday.

brandtryan · 12-07-07, 11:20 AM

This civilian appreciates the men and women protecting our country--then, and now!

Snuffy · 12-07-07, 11:24 AM

<o

12-07-07, 11:24 AM

I overheard the following conversation today

Younger woman: What is the date today, is it the 7th?
Older gent: Yes it is the 66th anniversary

He then went on to explain his answer to the confused woman and her colleague.

As someone who spent the majority of his life in England, I am only just starting to appreciate the impact of attack on PH. I Had been living here for 6 months when the attacks of 9/11 occured and I can only imagine that the national pshcye was impacted in a similar way back in 1941.

Thank you to everyone who has, or is serving to protect our freedoms.

AVGWarhawk · 12-07-07, 11:30 AM

I was wondering who would put up the first post. Nice one Tater. Salute to all the young guys and gals who put life on hold Dec 7th 1941!

Torps · 12-07-07, 11:31 AM

The WWII generation is still the best in my opinion (27, served in combat,Iraq 2003).

seaniam81 · 12-07-07, 11:38 AM

*salute
to the fallen

Rockin Robbins · 12-07-07, 11:41 AM

A view I have never seen anywhere, but worth a thought or two:

The Japanese, by attacking Pearl Harbor and killing 2,350 and sinking (if only temporarily in some instances) our battleship fleet, prevented a much more devastating Japanese victory which could have shaken US resolve in the Pacific, resulting in a negotiated settlement of the dispute.

Our strategy was "Showdown at the OK Corral." We were to locate the Japanese navy and force a decisive battle between capital ships. It wouldn't have been close. The Japanese would have slaughtered 10,000 and sent many more ships to the bottom in thousands of feet of water where no salvage would have been possible.

Pearl Harbor was a small price to pay. It taught us the lessons that won the Pacific war. We were forced from a strategy for humiliating defeat to a submarine strategy for victory. We were forced to exploit our advantage in aircraft and pilots. Pearl Harbor forces us to win the war. It was a collosal blunder on the part of the Japanese.

Has anyone ever read or heard any idea close to this? I haven't and it seems so obvious.

Dowly · 12-07-07, 11:41 AM

Rest in Peace.

tater · 12-07-07, 11:46 AM

Actually, I'd say it was even simpler, RR. The Japanese required a short war with a negotiated peace. Changes in US doctrine (out of necessity post PH) would not have changed the fact that the RAGE over the attack meant that there was zero possibility of a negotiated peace.

The Japanese lost the war that very morning since their plan required such a negotiated settlement, and they prevented it by their own actions.

The timing of their defeat was up for grabs based on tactics/strategy afterwards, but it was a foregone conclusion.

tater

silent killer · 12-07-07, 12:53 PM

even we canadians remember Dec 7 1941 . a salute to your armmed forces.

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	In Memoriam tater

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simonb1612 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Remembering I overheard the following conversation today Younger woman: What is the date today, is it the 7th? Older gent: Yes it is the 66th anniversary He then went on to explain his answer to the confused woman and her colleague. As someone who spent the majority of his life in England, I am only just starting to appreciate the impact of attack on PH. I Had been living here for 6 months when the attacks of 9/11 occured and I can only imagine that the national pshcye was impacted in a similar way back in 1941. Thank you to everyone who has, or is serving to protect our freedoms.

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,276 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I was wondering who would put up the first post. Nice one Tater. Salute to all the young guys and gals who put life on hold Dec 7th 1941! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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Torps Captain Join Date: May 2007 Location: Phoenix Posts: 496 Downloads: 148 Uploads: 0	The WWII generation is still the best in my opinion (27, served in combat,Iraq 2003). __________________ Torps Contributor PE for ROW Reflections on Water *ROW Sound Effects* R.I.P Dave Bunnel aka LeoVampire

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	You know, i totally forgot what day was today, other then it being a payday friday.

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brandtryan Engineer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Indianapolis, United States Posts: 214 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	This civilian appreciates the men and women protecting our country--then, and now!

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seaniam81 Commodore Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 624 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 0	*salute to the fallen __________________ Ultima ratio regum. (The final argument of kings) - Inscription on french cannons, on order of Louis XIV

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Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Salute! A view I have never seen anywhere, but worth a thought or two: The Japanese, by attacking Pearl Harbor and killing 2,350 and sinking (if only temporarily in some instances) our battleship fleet, prevented a much more devastating Japanese victory which could have shaken US resolve in the Pacific, resulting in a negotiated settlement of the dispute. Our strategy was "Showdown at the OK Corral." We were to locate the Japanese navy and force a decisive battle between capital ships. It wouldn't have been close. The Japanese would have slaughtered 10,000 and sent many more ships to the bottom in thousands of feet of water where no salvage would have been possible. Pearl Harbor was a small price to pay. It taught us the lessons that won the Pacific war. We were forced from a strategy for humiliating defeat to a submarine strategy for victory. We were forced to exploit our advantage in aircraft and pilots. Pearl Harbor forces us to win the war. It was a collosal blunder on the part of the Japanese. Has anyone ever read or heard any idea close to this? I haven't and it seems so obvious. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 12-07-07 at 12:58 PM.

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,054 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Rest in Peace.

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Actually, I'd say it was even simpler, RR. The Japanese required a short war with a negotiated peace. Changes in US doctrine (out of necessity post PH) would not have changed the fact that the RAGE over the attack meant that there was zero possibility of a negotiated peace. The Japanese lost the war that very morning since their plan required such a negotiated settlement, and they prevented it by their own actions. The timing of their defeat was up for grabs based on tactics/strategy afterwards, but it was a foregone conclusion. tater

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silent killer Soundman Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kingston Ontario Posts: 141 Downloads: 49 Uploads: 0	remember even we canadians remember Dec 7 1941 . a salute to your armmed forces.