The beginning of the end of free speech

Skybird · 11-02-07, 05:30 AM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...514872,00.html

This situation is something that has concerned me increasingly over the past months, since this summer. I already have repeatdely disucssed it with a lawyer whom I met repatedly in summer due to some completey other issues.

I concluded that from beginning 2008 on, I will need to hide much of my opinions on the political developement and Islam from dicussion on the web, and telephone. Due to already valid anti-discirmination laws, much of my resistance to Islam, for example, would qualify as hate-speech and racism, and I could be sued for it. With the new surveillance and data storage, I was told, the likelihood is no longer unrealistic or minimal that I would find myself in court for participating in a discussion like some of those we had over here in the past. Also, much expression of political rejection of EU policies, like I often voiced, could get me into trouble.

What is it all about? You have one law (anti-discrimination), that effectively prevents you from voicing criticism of any religion in general, and islam in special, you are also hiddenly forbidden to resist helping and supporting the spreading of Islam and foreign colonization or immigration in general. I told you that I am in support of a civil rights movement over here that has (succeessfully) prevented the illegal increasing of an already existing basement mosque. This initiative already has repeatedly been targetted on the basis of these anti-discimination laws - and it was only some months since they became valid! So the risk is real. This same law also could be used to brandmark you as an extremist dangerous to national safety if you voice your rejection of, for example, the EU too enthusiastically, so this is an hint that you are getting prohibited from being against the official policy of the EU, or the government (implementing over 80% of the demands from Brussel without debate and most often in violation of the german constitution) . - At the same time now comes a new law, that puts all lawyers, journalists, doctors, priest, and private person under total and complete electronic surveillance, storing their data (IP, time, date) for at least half a year, and since the content you send over the web, for example, is there, and now could be linked in time and date to your computer'S IP, your identity could be revealed, always. this has always been the case, but it was not used by the state in a total and complete assault against all and everyone. - Eh, really? It has become known that when you click the official sites of government offices and ministries - you already end up in such surveillance routines for a not mentioned longer period of time. especially the ministry of justice if famous for doing so, and is even trying to install Trojans on your PC when you contact them. Take it with a sense of humour, I suggest! If you play with the snakes, don't be surprised if you get bitten. Active online searches of user'S web-connected PCs also are in the making, and though currently being hindred by oppositional voices, it will come sooner or later, I am sure.

Like in the US, all this latest legal stunt is coming under the ridiculous umbrella of "war on terror". As if any terrorist nowadays would be stupid enough to exchange sensible data with other bombslingers from his to their laptop in their private homes. They do not do that, of course, they use latest encryption technology, public places, internet cafes and such - all the things that will lead the investigators into empty spaces only. Police knows that, and says these new laws will help to fight standard small crime only, but will do nothing about terror prevention. The politicians must know it as well, I suppose.

So why? Obviously the side effects of these laws nevertheless sound tempting for some, so that they want these changes even if their use for fighting terror tends to be close to nill. It is about establishing the control of the state over the opinion building and saying of it's citizens, which more and more seem to be understood as a state property, and a EU property. It is about a mad sense of almost fashistoid collectivism, which shows it's face in the criminal energy to prevent europeans having a word over the EU constitution, the powerful ambitions of the EU to establish a tyranny of bureaucrats over the european people, a drive of political parties to control public media (in this context see the aimed-for changes in the German TV and radio system which will give parties more influence over the program and the power to publish their own stuff that has been refused by the public in a voluntary broadcasting project - people did not wish to listen to those silly debates in the bundestag, so now it must be enforced onto them), a yearning for making any resistance to official political opinion and projects such as the selling off of europe to Islam impossible and putting such resisting opinion under penalty, and establishing a total control of the state over every aspect of a person'S life from the cradle to the grave. A uniform collective replacing democratic, free society is the goal of thisa agenda, and if you look at the many political mistakes and flawed policies (that you and me sometimes discuss here in the forum and express our disgust with) from this perspective, then suddenly it all falls into an apparently fitting place, and what appears to be perversions before, suddenly becomes the message of a new, unfree normality.

Elections do not have a meaning anymore. EU takes over unilateral decision making powers from national parliaments, and national constitutions are being deconstructed more and more. Unwanted oppositional opinion on and rejecting to assist policies, cultural deconstruction of europe, refusing one's own historical identity, and islamisation of europe, gets prevented and is being put under penalty, or gets manipulated by implementing perception patterns in the young that make them control themselves in accordance with these goals. the best tyranny is from inside people's heads, when every criticism and different opinion is brandmarked by the masses themselves to be extremist, to be subversive, x-y-z-phobic, non-solidaric, and the hell knows what. The dependance of the single person from the state gets increased and enforced, often people get lured into voluntary submitting to the state's more and more total authority. we all must be the same. We all must be one. One collective. One template. One party.

The many symptoms of degeneration and politically wanted deconstruction of democratic basic principles make very much sense to me.

We are no longer free. That's what it all is about, and the different choices of voting we are being given, are illusory only. Were we do not submit voluntarily, we more and more get forced by pressure to submit. Democracy was a nice chapter in history, but for the most, it is over. It became a victim of it's own inherent weaknesses.

By content, I have talked about this with that lawyer I mentioned in the beginning. He said, already right now in principle I could be sued for a posting like this, and for major parts of my opinion.

Okay, let it come, baby - sue me. If that would ever happen for real, I would no longer object the use of violence to resist this amok-running political madness in Europe, on the basis of mopst elemental self-defense. Oooops - for that statement I can be sued as well.

Camaero · 11-02-07, 05:42 AM

Ah, the decay of civilization.

DeepIron · 11-02-07, 09:08 AM

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We are no longer free. That's what it all is about, and the different choices of voting we are being given, are illusory only. Were we do not submit voluntarily, we more and more get forced by pressure to submit. Democracy was a nice chapter in history, but for the most, it is over. It became a victim of it's own inherent weaknesses.

"V for Vendetta" comes to mind...

When the day comes that my First Amendment right to Free Speech is taken from me, I shall exercise to it's fullest extent the Second Amendment, the right to own and bear arms.

I have been concerned from the day that Homeland Security was created to "keep America safe from terrorists" that my personal freedoms and rights would be eroded away in the name or guise of "The War of Terror". Wire taps, airport "security", blah, blah, blah... nothing more than keeping the sheep in line...

The only criminals I see are the ones running my government...

Tchocky · 11-02-07, 09:22 AM

Hey guys, don't worry, we've set up a "Free Speech Zone" for y'all...

Hitman · 11-02-07, 10:21 AM

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We are no longer free. That's what it all is about, and the different choices of voting we are being given, are illusory only. Were we do not submit voluntarily, we more and more get forced by pressure to submit. Democracy was a nice chapter in history, but for the most, it is over. It became a victim of it's own inherent weaknesses.

We have NEVER been free. I'm amazed that someone as intelligent as you has taken so long to realize this :hmm:

STEED · 11-02-07, 10:58 AM

Welcome to the real world Skybird, hold on to your pants you seen nothing yet.

End Times.

TteFAboB · 11-02-07, 01:22 PM

Ignore and carry on, like these guys: http://bartonbulletin.wordpress.com/...ing-draw-flap/

11-02-07, 05:30 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,626 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The beginning of the end of free speech http://www.spiegel.de/international/...514872,00.html This situation is something that has concerned me increasingly over the past months, since this summer. I already have repeatdely disucssed it with a lawyer whom I met repatedly in summer due to some completey other issues. I concluded that from beginning 2008 on, I will need to hide much of my opinions on the political developement and Islam from dicussion on the web, and telephone. Due to already valid anti-discirmination laws, much of my resistance to Islam, for example, would qualify as hate-speech and racism, and I could be sued for it. With the new surveillance and data storage, I was told, the likelihood is no longer unrealistic or minimal that I would find myself in court for participating in a discussion like some of those we had over here in the past. Also, much expression of political rejection of EU policies, like I often voiced, could get me into trouble. What is it all about? You have one law (anti-discrimination), that effectively prevents you from voicing criticism of any religion in general, and islam in special, you are also hiddenly forbidden to resist helping and supporting the spreading of Islam and foreign colonization or immigration in general. I told you that I am in support of a civil rights movement over here that has (succeessfully) prevented the illegal increasing of an already existing basement mosque. This initiative already has repeatedly been targetted on the basis of these anti-discimination laws - and it was only some months since they became valid! So the risk is real. This same law also could be used to brandmark you as an extremist dangerous to national safety if you voice your rejection of, for example, the EU too enthusiastically, so this is an hint that you are getting prohibited from being against the official policy of the EU, or the government (implementing over 80% of the demands from Brussel without debate and most often in violation of the german constitution) . - At the same time now comes a new law, that puts all lawyers, journalists, doctors, priest, and private person under total and complete electronic surveillance, storing their data (IP, time, date) for at least half a year, and since the content you send over the web, for example, is there, and now could be linked in time and date to your computer'S IP, your identity could be revealed, always. this has always been the case, but it was not used by the state in a total and complete assault against all and everyone. - Eh, really? It has become known that when you click the official sites of government offices and ministries - you already end up in such surveillance routines for a not mentioned longer period of time. especially the ministry of justice if famous for doing so, and is even trying to install Trojans on your PC when you contact them. Take it with a sense of humour, I suggest! If you play with the snakes, don't be surprised if you get bitten. Active online searches of user'S web-connected PCs also are in the making, and though currently being hindred by oppositional voices, it will come sooner or later, I am sure. Like in the US, all this latest legal stunt is coming under the ridiculous umbrella of "war on terror". As if any terrorist nowadays would be stupid enough to exchange sensible data with other bombslingers from his to their laptop in their private homes. They do not do that, of course, they use latest encryption technology, public places, internet cafes and such - all the things that will lead the investigators into empty spaces only. Police knows that, and says these new laws will help to fight standard small crime only, but will do nothing about terror prevention. The politicians must know it as well, I suppose. So why? Obviously the side effects of these laws nevertheless sound tempting for some, so that they want these changes even if their use for fighting terror tends to be close to nill. It is about establishing the control of the state over the opinion building and saying of it's citizens, which more and more seem to be understood as a state property, and a EU property. It is about a mad sense of almost fashistoid collectivism, which shows it's face in the criminal energy to prevent europeans having a word over the EU constitution, the powerful ambitions of the EU to establish a tyranny of bureaucrats over the european people, a drive of political parties to control public media (in this context see the aimed-for changes in the German TV and radio system which will give parties more influence over the program and the power to publish their own stuff that has been refused by the public in a voluntary broadcasting project - people did not wish to listen to those silly debates in the bundestag, so now it must be enforced onto them), a yearning for making any resistance to official political opinion and projects such as the selling off of europe to Islam impossible and putting such resisting opinion under penalty, and establishing a total control of the state over every aspect of a person'S life from the cradle to the grave. A uniform collective replacing democratic, free society is the goal of thisa agenda, and if you look at the many political mistakes and flawed policies (that you and me sometimes discuss here in the forum and express our disgust with) from this perspective, then suddenly it all falls into an apparently fitting place, and what appears to be perversions before, suddenly becomes the message of a new, unfree normality. Elections do not have a meaning anymore. EU takes over unilateral decision making powers from national parliaments, and national constitutions are being deconstructed more and more. Unwanted oppositional opinion on and rejecting to assist policies, cultural deconstruction of europe, refusing one's own historical identity, and islamisation of europe, gets prevented and is being put under penalty, or gets manipulated by implementing perception patterns in the young that make them control themselves in accordance with these goals. the best tyranny is from inside people's heads, when every criticism and different opinion is brandmarked by the masses themselves to be extremist, to be subversive, x-y-z-phobic, non-solidaric, and the hell knows what. The dependance of the single person from the state gets increased and enforced, often people get lured into voluntary submitting to the state's more and more total authority. we all must be the same. We all must be one. One collective. One template. One party. The many symptoms of degeneration and politically wanted deconstruction of democratic basic principles make very much sense to me. We are no longer free. That's what it all is about, and the different choices of voting we are being given, are illusory only. Were we do not submit voluntarily, we more and more get forced by pressure to submit. Democracy was a nice chapter in history, but for the most, it is over. It became a victim of it's own inherent weaknesses. By content, I have talked about this with that lawyer I mentioned in the beginning. He said, already right now in principle I could be sued for a posting like this, and for major parts of my opinion. Okay, let it come, baby - sue me. If that would ever happen for real, I would no longer object the use of violence to resist this amok-running political madness in Europe, on the basis of mopst elemental self-defense. Oooops - for that statement I can be sued as well. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 11-02-07 at 05:46 AM.

11-02-07, 05:42 AM	#2
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Ah, the decay of civilization. __________________

11-02-07, 09:22 AM	#4
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Hey guys, don't worry, we've set up a "Free Speech Zone" for y'all... __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

11-02-07, 10:58 AM	#6
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Welcome to the real world Skybird, hold on to your pants you seen nothing yet. End Times. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

11-02-07, 01:22 PM	#7
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Ignore and carry on, like these guys: http://bartonbulletin.wordpress.com/...ing-draw-flap/ __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand