Kerry rally

nikimcbee · 09-18-07, 02:03 PM

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Need I say more?

:rotfl:

The Avon Lady · 09-18-07, 02:08 PM

I've already seen all the vids, including the very complete CNBC one. It's a hard call to judge whether he should have been arrested or not. Seems very borderline.

Skybird · 09-18-07, 02:52 PM

...?????

sunvalleyslim · 09-18-07, 04:46 PM

I agree Avon Lady, hard to say that he should have been arrested. The problem began when he turned around and saw the uniformed police. Up until that time I can't see a reason for him to be arrested. A female officer approaches him and touches his arm. At that time he throws his arms in the air and starts yelling. At that point he is resisting and knows he has an audience. So he plays it up by yelling help and still resisting being lead away. To me he has forced the police to take some kind of action. Had he stopped struggling and yelling, the use of force would have stopped. He played this up for the cameras and audience. That's why he's yelling help, he's not expecting anyone to help but it sounds good. If he would have stopped resisting he wouldn't have been Tasered. But the film clearly shows he wouldn't stop struggling even when he is told to stop. Now the police have to control him, so they use legal means to take him into custody.
The whole problem stems from the female officer grabbing him. There should have been a dicussion with him about whatever rule he was violating, maybe about asking questions. If there was even a rule who knows. Now had he not conversed with the police or not left after being asked, then I would say this was appropriate. If not he should have legal grounds to sue.

The WosMan · 09-18-07, 07:39 PM

Normally I am a big law and order guy. The problem here was from what I saw this kid had his hands in the air, had no weapons, wasn't any threat. It was a bunch of keystone kops out of control.

What I want to know is why Mr war protester himself Kerry didn't say anything to defend the kid. He is afterall a pro at protesting, throwing his medals over fences, and being anti-establishment. This kid was obviously some big lib journalist student, probably a moveon.org person but they didn't remove him until he mentioned Kerry's Skull and Bones membership. To me this further reinforces the fact that Kerry is a hypocrite who doesn't have a clue.

bradclark1 · 09-18-07, 07:57 PM

When you resist what the cop is trying to do you have opened yourself up to use of force. My hearing is shot and I don't know what the kid was saying but the tone was confrontational. He played it up for the camera's. He accompplished what he set out to do.

The Avon Lady · 09-19-07, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The WosMan

Normally I am a big law and order guy. The problem here was from what I saw this kid had his hands in the air, had no weapons, wasn't any threat. It was a bunch of keystone kops out of control.

What I want to know is why Mr war protester himself Kerry didn't say anything to defend the kid. He is afterall a pro at protesting, throwing his medals over fences, and being anti-establishment. This kid was obviously some big lib journalist student, probably a moveon.org person but they didn't remove him until he mentioned Kerry's Skull and Bones membership. To me this further reinforces the fact that Kerry is a hypocrite who doesn't have a clue.

I'm anything but a Kerry fan but he did say to let the guy talk. I understand his mostly complete silence afterwards as assuming the police are doing their duty. He did the correct thing and why shouldn't he.

I still believe that this is really a close call and find it hard to decide based on the videos at hand. And whether the jerk intentionally set this up as a publicilty stunt or not is irrelevant to the police's obligations to act appropriately and again I'm not saying they didn't.

If nothing further can be clarified in court, I would hope the judge would let everyone go back home with warnings and that's that.

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The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I've already seen all the vids, including the very complete CNBC one. It's a hard call to judge whether he should have been arrested or not. Seems very borderline. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

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sunvalleyslim Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 1,142 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	I agree Avon Lady, hard to say that he should have been arrested. The problem began when he turned around and saw the uniformed police. Up until that time I can't see a reason for him to be arrested. A female officer approaches him and touches his arm. At that time he throws his arms in the air and starts yelling. At that point he is resisting and knows he has an audience. So he plays it up by yelling help and still resisting being lead away. To me he has forced the police to take some kind of action. Had he stopped struggling and yelling, the use of force would have stopped. He played this up for the cameras and audience. That's why he's yelling help, he's not expecting anyone to help but it sounds good. If he would have stopped resisting he wouldn't have been Tasered. But the film clearly shows he wouldn't stop struggling even when he is told to stop. Now the police have to control him, so they use legal means to take him into custody. The whole problem stems from the female officer grabbing him. There should have been a dicussion with him about whatever rule he was violating, maybe about asking questions. If there was even a rule who knows. Now had he not conversed with the police or not left after being asked, then I would say this was appropriate. If not he should have legal grounds to sue. __________________ Crew member/ decommission member TM2(SS)(SD) 3/68-7/70 DIESEL BOATS FOREVER USS SEGUNDO (SS398)

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The WosMan Watch Officer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: OH Posts: 332 Downloads: 88 Uploads: 0	Normally I am a big law and order guy. The problem here was from what I saw this kid had his hands in the air, had no weapons, wasn't any threat. It was a bunch of keystone kops out of control. What I want to know is why Mr war protester himself Kerry didn't say anything to defend the kid. He is afterall a pro at protesting, throwing his medals over fences, and being anti-establishment. This kid was obviously some big lib journalist student, probably a moveon.org person but they didn't remove him until he mentioned Kerry's Skull and Bones membership. To me this further reinforces the fact that Kerry is a hypocrite who doesn't have a clue.

09-18-07, 07:57 PM	#6
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	When you resist what the cop is trying to do you have opened yourself up to use of force. My hearing is shot and I don't know what the kid was saying but the tone was confrontational. He played it up for the camera's. He accompplished what he set out to do.